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Saying its torture.

Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to. Whether an offender is on the left or the right, I will be reporting ALL posts which attempt to derail the discussion.


Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

The upshot? "It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow told listeners. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."
Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

Article is here.
 
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I'm in awe that some don't see waterboarding as torture. How can it not be? Justify it all you want, but it cannot be regarded as anything else. Period.
 
Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

Yes Mancow was a denier up until he went through six seconds of waterboarding..now he is a believer.

Anybody who comes on this thread claiming to have been waterboarded needs to provide the facts and circumstances of such an act...or they will be ignored a buffoons..

As they should be.
 
Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

Saying its torture.

Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to.


Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

Article is here.

I also have a lot of respect for Mancow. It's obvious that beforehand he really didn't think it was that big of a deal. The fact that Hannity hasn't followed through tells me that he probably thinks that it is torture as well deep down. The problem is that this entire "what is torture?" debate could become a very slippery slope. I think we have obviously have to draw the line somewhere. I realize that our enemies do far worse, but I've always thought that we, as Americans, like to hold ourselves to a higher standard than our enemies. To me, that is what separates us from them.
 
Saying its torture.

Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to. Whether an offender is on the left or the right, I will be reporting ALL posts which attempt to derail the discussion.


Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

Article is here.

Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.
 
I don't support them even being alive.

I guess a better question would be; would you consider it torture if they did it to our soldiers?
 
Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

Yes Mancow was a denier up until he went through six seconds of waterboarding..now he is a believer.

Add to that the knowledge that he could stop it at any time and it was not for real. That's a whole different can of worms, yet he still only laster 6 seconds.

There's no other definition for waterboarding other than torture.
 
I don't support them even being alive.

Who do you want dead?

So it would be OK for them to Waterboard our ununiformed civilian contractors to death while trying to draw false confessions out of them by torturing them?

Mancow told us what he thought after six seconds of having water poured down his nose and throat.

Drowning= death.
 
Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.

At least you admit to it being torture. Whether American soldiers have the right to torture is a whole other can of worms.
 
I guess a better question would be; would you consider it torture if they did it to our soldiers?

Yeah, it's the same procedure regardless of who's on the board and who's pouring the water, so it's torture either way.

You asked if I supported terrorists doing _________. Fill in the blank with whatever you like, the answer regardless is "no" because I don't even want them to draw breath.
 
Who do you want dead?

So it would be OK for them to Waterboard our ununiformed civilian contractors to death while trying to draw false confessions out of them by torturing them?

Mancow told us what he thought after six seconds of having water poured down his nose and throat.

Drowning= death.

I don't think you understand my position.

I don't support anything a terrorist does...not hugging his children, not taking a dump, not saying 'thank you'...nothing.

I want him dead, so I don't support anything he does.
 
Like that would stop them. :doh

And I know the next response.

Please name on instance where one of our soldiers have been captured and tortured?

One shouldn't be that hard.
 
At least you admit to it being torture. Whether American soldiers have the right to torture is a whole other can of worms.

We have to take it away from the light of the law, but we're going to do it anyway, and we should.
 
I don't think you understand my position.

I don't support anything a terrorist does...not hugging his children, not taking a dump, not saying 'thank you'...nothing.

I want him dead, so I don't support anything he does.

Even the innocent one's?

Oh I forgot Cheney and his cohorts only tortured three people. Right?
 
I don't support them even being alive.

Most "combatants and terrorists" taken to places like Gitmo and Abu Ghraib turned out to be innocent, and not the "combatants and terrorists" they were accused of being, and have been released without charges. Does it sit well with you that you don't want innocent people to be alive?
 
Most "combatants and terrorists" taken to places like Gitmo and Abu Ghraib turned out to be innocent, and not the "combatants and terrorists" they were accused of being, and have been released without charges. Does it sit well with you that you don't want innocent people to be alive?

Well if they're innocent then they're not terrorists, silly :lol:
 
Saying its torture.

Note: The last thread on this had some great discussion in it, until it was trolled so badly that it was finally sent to the basement. To me, this is an important enough topic that it should not die just because a few people want to ruin it, so I am reposting it. I respectfully ask the mods to monitor this thread, and to be extremely Liberal with thread bans. Thanx in advance. Open discussion on this issue, which I feel is a very important one, is not going to die, just because a few troublemakers want it to. Whether an offender is on the left or the right, I will be reporting ALL posts which attempt to derail the discussion.


Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

Article is here.

Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.

Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.

In Vietnam, the same assholes that want to brand the Bush Administration as War Criminals defended the Communist Vietcong for their treatment of our prisoners by claiming the claims were fabricated. You can't get more asinine than that can you?

As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?

The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.

What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.

Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they know ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.

But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture. :rofl
 
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I'm in awe that some don't see waterboarding as torture. How can it not be? Justify it all you want, but it cannot be regarded as anything else. Period.
Ok, you say it's torture. Ummm.....so what?

A talking head gets water poured up his nose and he says its torture. Ummm.....so what?

Three terrorists who got water poured up their nose said stuff a great deal more interesting--actionable intelligence. It accomplished what it was meant to accomplish. Every interrogation technique ever devised has as its motivation getting people to reveal things; the caliber of the technique is gauged by the quality of the information revealed. Call it torture all day long if that's what it takes to build up your self-esteem; it worked, and because it worked, CIA interrogators successfully accomplished their mission. All the pissing and pontificating about "oh, no, the dreaded T-word" won't alter the reality that the interrogators did what they needed to do to complete their mission.
 
Innocent terrorists?

Yes Kinda make one wonder why the Bush Administration chose to torture many innocent people.

For what reason? To save hundereds of thousands of lives as Dick put it?

Or to desperately gain support for is WMD Saddam/9-11 lies?
 
Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.

Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.

In Vietnam, the same assholes that want to brand the Bush Administration as War Criminals defended the Communist Vietcong for their treatment of our prisoners by claiming the claims were fabricated. You can't get more asinine than that can you?

As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?

The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.

What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.

Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they no ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.

But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture. :rofl

On another thread I tried to give him some suggestions on creating not-so-trolling OPs, but he wasn't very open to my ideas.

I tried.
 
Do you support them doing it to our troops?

I would prefer our enemies to use the same methods on our troops that we use on theirs than what they actually do; cut their heads off and dragging their stripped naked bodies through the streets before hanging them up for display.

In Vietnam they were subject to being electrocuted, strung up on racks and having their genitals crushed. Now THAT is real torture. The notion that Communists, Terrorists or the Nazi's thought, "gee, is they treat our prisoners with respect, maybe we should do the same" requires the same retarded logic displayed by the Liberal media suggesting that these TAME measures will result in our troops being treated worse than they already are.

Do any Liberals ever see how asinine arguments like these are in the wake of REALITY and the FACTS?
:roll:
 
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