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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yeah, I suppose you got a point. How about this? Hook 'em up to a polygraph test. First lie, 110 vac @ 20 amps. Second lie, 220 vac. If they are still willing to lie or not talk after that, they probably will never talk. THEN cut off their melon. At this point, they are just wasting oxygen anyways.

    I like it....need to tone down the voltage and up the amperage. A car battery at 12 volts what you want. The starter motor pulls around 250amps. That's where I would start.

    Once done....hell, if someone wants to take the melon....let 'em.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    The notion that we are not already at a MUCH higher standard than our enemies requires willful denial don't you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    When we start engaging in similar activity and use their doing it as justification for doing it the lines start to blur and that shouldn't happen.
    Once again, it is an absurd and desperate assertion that we are anything remotely close to our enemies given the FACTS and REALITIES.

    Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    It is the same with the equally asinine notion that waterboarding puts us down at their level when considering the REALITY of how their victims are treated.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think it puts us down to their level, but not far off.
    This is again absurdity for the sake of an absurd argument not based in the REALITY or the FACTS.

    Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    I submit that it takes an incredible level of willful denial to suggest that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt to impugn the previous administration for purely political purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Then where is the evidence? I asked you this before too. Where in this thread is the evidence that this has anything to do with the Bush Administration?
    I saw your absurd question; but then, the notion that you willfully avoid REALITY does not suggest that my assertion is false. Are you seriously asking me to provide you with article after article from Liberals and Democrats in the House in their committee investigations on this issue suggesting that the Bush Administration was guilty or war crimes?

    Good lord dude, just because you CHOOSE to not acknowledge OBVIOUS facts doesnít make my assertions less valid.

    Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    Now, back to the REALITY; these methods were briefed to the Congress and they were justified legally and debated with great and thoughtful deliberation before the decision was made to use these "enhanced" methods on a select FEW terrorists who were resisting other methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Good for Congress. I don't agree with their decision and still consider it to be "torture".
    You are entitled to your opinion.


    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    This debate is without any substantive merit in that these actions occurred shortly after the events of 9-11 when our Government was struggling to grapple with unprecedented terrorist attacks and the idea of possible equally or greater devastating attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, I think that horrible events like 9/11 put our core values to the test and when we are willing to go to such extremes and use these events as justification it says to me that we have in many ways failed that test.
    How convenient for you to preach such moral high ground; but unlike you, the President of the United States does not have it so conveniently easy. You see, he/she has to decide how to best protect the citizens of this nation from FURTHER attacks and it weighs heavily on their conscience to have another heinous event re-occur and know they didnít do everything in their power to protect the lives of US citizens here and abroad which is the single most important duty of the President of the United States.

    Itís easy for pompous assholes like Pelosi to play partisan politics with this issue and not have to deal with this REALITY. Itís easy for people like us who are not confronted with this REALITY every day for their entire Presidency against a foe where WE have to be right 100% of the time, whereas they only have to succeed but ONE time.

    The notion that this asinine debate about moral high ground is anything more than hyper partisan political hackery of the highest degree from Democrats wishing to impugn their political opponents in the court of public opinion requires a level of willful denial I just cannot prescribe to.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again, it is an absurd and desperate assertion that we are anything remotely close to our enemies given the FACTS and REALITIES.
    How so? Would you care to elaborate?

    This is again absurdity for the sake of an absurd argument not based in the REALITY or the FACTS.
    Again, would you care to elaborate? You can say that until you are blue in the face, but it really addresses nothing specific.

    I saw your absurd question; but then, the notion that you willfully avoid REALITY does not suggest that my assertion is false. Are you seriously asking me to provide you with article after article from Liberals and Democrats in the House in their committee investigations on this issue suggesting that the Bush Administration was guilty or war crimes?
    No, I"m asking you what this topic specifically has to do with the Bush Administration. You implied earlier that this was merely an underhanded attempt to attack the Bush Administration and I'm asking for evidence of this considering that you were the first one to even bring up the Bush Administration in the first place.

    Good lord dude, just because you CHOOSE to not acknowledge OBVIOUS facts doesnít make my assertions less valid.
    What obvious facts would those be?

    You are entitled to your opinion.
    As are you.

    How convenient for you to preach such moral high ground; but unlike you, the President of the United States does not have it so conveniently easy. You see, he/she has to decide how to best protect the citizens of this nation from FURTHER attacks and it weighs heavily on their conscience to have another heinous event re-occur and know they didnít do everything in their power to protect the lives of US citizens here and abroad which is the single most important duty of the President of the United States.
    Are you seriously suggesting that patriotic people in this country don't think that we are better than other countries and that we have the moral high ground?

    Itís easy for pompous assholes like Pelosi to play partisan politics with this issue and not have to deal with this REALITY. Itís easy for people like us who are not confronted with this REALITY every day for their entire Presidency against a foe where WE have to be right 100% of the time, whereas they only have to succeed but ONE time.
    What does Pelosi have to do with this? You are not going to find any defense of Pelosi from me. If she was aware of these methods before then she is just as guilty.

    The notion that this asinine debate about moral high ground is anything more than hyper partisan political hackery of the highest degree from Democrats wishing to impugn their political opponents in the court of public opinion requires a level of willful denial I just cannot prescribe to.
    Thus far you are the only person I've seen bring partisan views into this. Just saying.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    How can you not be satisfied that waterboarding is in FACT not torture?

    All you have to do is read the Rule of law and understand international treaties to clearly understand it is in fact by law torture.

    Have you read the Laws pertaining to waterboarding?

    Have you read the international treaties our country signed in reguards to waterboarding being torture and warcrime?
    Quite simple: my personal comfort level is higher than yours.

    Now, I do not mean "higher" as in "superior", I mean "higher" as in "more tolerant"; smiler to pain tolerance, ironically.

    Waterboarding is what waterboarding is, and no dictionary literally, physically changes the actual procedure. Since I am ok with the procedure, then if you come along and call it "torture", it follows that I am ok with "torture".

    I may or may not be ok with other forms of "torture", it all depends on the actual procedure.

    As to the various international treaties: I do not claim to be a scholar by any respect, but I do believe I have a basic understanding of the principals and rules of the Geneva Conventions (for example).

    Terrorists disregard all such international law except when it suits them.

    In order for self defense to be effective, you have to be willing to go further than your opponent is. Therefore, since they disregard international law, so must we.

    We don't have to be so upfront about it, which is where the issue of image and reputation come in. We can put enough spit and polish on our image to give plausible denyability and secure general public support. However, the bottom line is we need to do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves and further assert American dominance.

    If that means taking "torture" underground so we can keep doing it, then so be it.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then I would put it to you that the cannibal is just as moral in his society as the church goer is in ours.
    I'm glad we agree on the concept.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So would I.

    But waterboarding is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. We should chop heads like our enemy does. That would give our squirmish, touchy-feely, dreamy-kum-ba-ya-pacifists something a LOT more interesting to talk about.

    When we start giving them acid baths, maybe then, I might get concerned.
    See that highlights my chief obstacle in accurately describing my position here.

    Just because I support waterboarding a high-value terrorist on a mis-marked ship which serves as a black prison on international water does not mean I support Hussane stripping flesh from the national soccer team's backs and then forcing them to take a swim in a pool full of sewage just because they didn't win the gold at the Olympics.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quite simple: my personal comfort level is higher than yours.

    Now, I do not mean "higher" as in "superior", I mean "higher" as in "more tolerant"; smiler to pain tolerance, ironically.

    Waterboarding is what waterboarding is, and no dictionary literally, physically changes the actual procedure. Since I am ok with the procedure, then if you come along and call it "torture", it follows that I am ok with "torture".

    I may or may not be ok with other forms of "torture", it all depends on the actual procedure.

    As to the various international treaties: I do not claim to be a scholar by any respect, but I do believe I have a basic understanding of the principals and rules of the Geneva Conventions (for example).

    Terrorists disregard all such international law except when it suits them.

    In order for self defense to be effective, you have to be willing to go further than your opponent is. Therefore, since they disregard international law, so must we.

    We don't have to be so upfront about it, which is where the issue of image and reputation come in. We can put enough spit and polish on our image to give plausible denyability and secure general public support. However, the bottom line is we need to do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves and further assert American dominance.

    If that means taking "torture" underground so we can keep doing it, then so be it.
    so you're comfort level alllows for breaking American laws reguarding waterboarding and violating international treaties in reguards to warcrimes?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    so you're comfort level alllows for breaking American laws reguarding waterboarding and violating international treaties in reguards to warcrimes?
    Yet none of this actually occurred; what proof do I have? The simple fact that Democrats have not and will not attempt to bring any criminal charges for these acts but rather act it out in hearings and the court of public opinion because the facts do not support such hysterical emotional hyperbole.

    Their goal is obvious except to the most gullible; to impugn their political opponents for the simple fact that they disagree with their politics. This is the worst threat to Democracy and freedom we have seen in this nation since it's inception.

    When the winning party gets into power and then attempts to criminalize the decisions of the previous administration for political purposes, we are entering the realm of third world Fascism.

    The asinine attempts by the Democrats now in power are evidence of a political party that wants to enact a fascist like agenda in order to hold onto that which means much more to them than principles, morality or honest intellectual differences, pure political power.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Liberals approve torture, but act out feigned indignation for public consumption. That's what's really up with Pelosi. She supported it, but got found out. So her hypocracy is plain for her supporters to see.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yet none of this actually occurred; what proof do I have? The simple fact that Democrats have not and will not attempt to bring any criminal charges for these acts but rather act it out in hearings and the court of public opinion because the facts do not support such hysterical emotional hyperbole.

    Their goal is obvious except to the most gullible; to impugn their political opponents for the simple fact that they disagree with their politics. This is the worst threat to Democracy and freedom we have seen in this nation since it's inception.

    When the winning party gets into power and then attempts to criminalize the decisions of the previous administration for political purposes, we are entering the realm of third world Fascism.

    The asinine attempts by the Democrats now in power are evidence of a political party that wants to enact a fascist like agenda in order to hold onto that which means much more to them than principles, morality or honest intellectual differences, pure political power.
    Yes you are right the Dems will not bring the charges...America will and the world will demand it.

    It's called doing the right thing.

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