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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then I would put it to you that the cannibal is just as moral in his society as the church goer is in ours.
    And I agree with that wholeheartedly.

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    By the way, how do you prove something is moral or not?
    You don't. The most anyone can do is sell their perspective to someone else.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I think people need to drop the bloviations about being "better". America isn't "better" than anyone. We're loved by some, hated by some, tolerated by the rest, and that is all.

    We've had a century of this Wilsonian nonsense about being "better"; that's more than enough for any nation.
    I have not mentioned any other country that I am making a comparison to. That is because I am not comparing us to other countries. I think we as a nation are a better nation if we do not torture, than if we do. It is strictly an internal comparison.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The notion that we are not already at a MUCH higher standard than our enemies requires willful denial don't you think?
    When we start engaging in similar activity and use their doing it as justification for doing it the lines start to blur and that shouldn't happen.

    It is the same with the equally asinine notion that waterboarding puts us down at their level when considering the REALITY of how their victims are treated.
    I don't think it puts us down to their level, but not far off.

    I submit that it takes an incredible level of willful denial to suggest that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt to impugn the previous administration for purely political purposes.
    Then where is the evidence? I asked you this before too. Where in this thread is the evidence that this has anything to do with the Bush Administration?

    Now, back to the REALITY; these methods were briefed to the Congress and they were justified legally and debated with great and thoughtful deliberation before the decision was made to use these "enhanced" methods on a select FEW terrorists who were resisting other methods.
    Good for Congress. I don't agree with their decision and still consider it to be "torture".

    This debate is without any substantive merit in that these actions occurred shortly after the events of 9-11 when our Government was struggling to grapple with unprecedented terrorist attacks and the idea of possible equally or greater devastating attacks.
    Well, I think that horrible events like 9/11 put our core values to the test and when we are willing to go to such extremes and use these events as justification it says to me that we have in many ways failed that test.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And I agree with that wholeheartedly.


    So would I.

    But waterboarding is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. We should chop heads like our enemy does. That would give our squirmish, touchy-feely, dreamy-kum-ba-ya-pacifists something a LOT more interesting to talk about.

    When we start giving them acid baths, maybe then, I might get concerned.

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You don't. The most anyone can do is sell their perspective to someone else.
    Which is what this thread is all about.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Iraq general swayed Obama on detainee photos | csmonitor.com

    Gen. Ray Odierno, along with other top defense officials, argued that releasing the images of alleged detainee abuse would endanger US troops abroad.

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    In a reversal of his previous position, President Obama will now oppose the release of more than 40 photos allegedly showing detainees being mistreated after deciding that releasing them could put American troops in danger and inflame anti-US sentiments abroad.

    The change of heart apparently came after Gen. Ray Odierno, the top commander in Iraq, made a personal plea to the White House against releasing the images because they would endanger US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. The images are thought to show US troops mistreating detainees overseas in ways reminiscent of the 2004 Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

    Do you support the troops TD?

    Well this is the MAIN troops saying this and it's not just some "assine liberal assertion" as you lamely claim over and over again.

    Why ignore reality?
    Apparently reality is NOT your forte'; the debate on the asinine public assertion that our nation acted illegally by water boarding its prisoners is causing just as much harm as these pictures did; that is the WHOLE premise of my argument.

    But again, it is asinine to argue that we condone "torture" as defined in the Geneva Conventions and UN Conventions.

    They require the "severe" mental and physical condition test which is non-existent in these cases.

    What part of these FACTS do you seriously not get? What has this selective public release of the secret memos regarding water boarding done to make our nation safer other then serve notice on our enemies that we will treat them as if they were US citizens? What have they done excerpt serve our enemies notice that the US will now NOT conduct any level of "enhanced" methods to extract critical information that will save the lives of our citizens?

    Our enemies are now certain of TWO things when it comes to American policy; (1) we will not intervene or invade any future nations regardless of their acts; and (2) if we capture non-uniformed enemy combatants, they will be subject to Geneva Conventions that used to be reserved to nations uniformed combatants, be tried in civilian courts and given habeas corpus rights.

    How does this save lives of US and our allies’ citizens?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So would I.

    But waterboarding is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. We should chop heads like our enemy does. That would give our squirmish, touchy-feely, dreamy-kum-ba-ya-pacifists something a LOT more interesting to talk about.
    Slight problem with that. Hard for a guy whose head is getting sawed off to talk much. A bit of screaming followed by some gurgling noises is about all you're going to get.

    Remember, the point of the exercise is to turn recalcitrant terrorists into charming conversationalists. That rather requires leaving the head attached to the neck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    When we start giving them acid baths, maybe then, I might get concerned.
    So would I....disposing of all the acid would require the mother of all environmental impact statements. Just what we don't need...more bureaucratic red tape.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Yeah, I suppose you got a point. How about this? Hook 'em up to a polygraph test. First lie, 110 vac @ 20 amps. Second lie, 220 vac. If they are still willing to lie or not talk after that, they probably will never talk. THEN cut off their melon. At this point, they are just wasting oxygen anyways.


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So would I.

    But waterboarding is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
    The guy who's the topic thread starter did say the same if not for those 6 loooooong seconds. You know how some things look so damn easy, like watching Tiger Wood strike a golf ball? You then try it, and you look like a big dummy. Well based-on what I have read, and the testimony from those who've been subjected to it, I wouldn't say it's any fun.

    I find it interest how waterboarding seems to have become a pussyfied version of torture to some here. Don't knock it until you try it, is all I have to say.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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