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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Arab Opinion: Bush Bad, Obama Good


    "Nearly half of Arabs polled in the last two months in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates said they had a “very positive” (11%) or “somewhat positive” (34%) view of Obama. Contrast that with George Bush, who Arabs regularly cited as the world leader they disliked the most. In the current 2009 poll, Obama does not register among disliked leaders, but Bush even out of office remains the No. 1 most disliked at 61%.

    "The Saudis tend to view things more through a Muslim prism and may be drawn to Obama's Muslim background, his middle name of Hussein, etc.—indeed, many in the Middle East believe that Obama is a Muslim. "

    In my experience, that's a sea-change in Arab attitudes. It's even more interesting if you look at Obama's ratings in individual countries. In Saudi Arabia, native land of Osama bin Laden, Obama is viewed very positively by 10% and somewhat positively by another 69% for a remarkable approval rating of 79%. If you throw in those who call themselves neutral, the figure goes up to 86%."

    Interesting.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Arab Opinion: Bush Bad, Obama Good


    "Nearly half of Arabs polled in the last two months in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates said they had a “very positive” (11%) or “somewhat positive” (34%) view of Obama. Contrast that with George Bush, who Arabs regularly cited as the world leader they disliked the most. In the current 2009 poll, Obama does not register among disliked leaders, but Bush even out of office remains the No. 1 most disliked at 61%.

    "The Saudis tend to view things more through a Muslim prism and may be drawn to Obama's Muslim background, his middle name of Hussein, etc.—indeed, many in the Middle East believe that Obama is a Muslim. "

    In my experience, that's a sea-change in Arab attitudes. It's even more interesting if you look at Obama's ratings in individual countries. In Saudi Arabia, native land of Osama bin Laden, Obama is viewed very positively by 10% and somewhat positively by another 69% for a remarkable approval rating of 79%. If you throw in those who call themselves neutral, the figure goes up to 86%."

    Interesting.
    I think it's fantastic.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I did not say it's not an issue 'because' they'll never be charged. In fact I'm suggesting it's just the opposite. The fact that no one is scrambling to press charges is a very strong indication that those in a position to go after them understand they have no case.

    That is not indicative of that at all. It's indicative of political factors, not of evidence or elements of a crime.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That is not indicative of that at all. It's indicative of political factors, not of evidence or elements of a crime.
    Just curious... are you happy we hanged Saddam for his crimes?


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Just curious... are you happy we hanged Saddam for his crimes?

    I'm not, I think he should have rotted in prison for life. He got the good end of the stick there getting hanged IMO.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Just curious... are you happy we hanged Saddam for his crimes?

    We didn't hang him. The Iraqi's did. I don't support the death penalty.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We didn't hang him. The Iraqi's did. I don't support the death penalty.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That is not indicative of that at all. It's indicative of political factors, not of evidence or elements of a crime.
    Interesting juxtaposition.

    You couldn't have been more dead on in your statement that political factors are the basis for the decision to prosecute (or in our case not prosecute) Bush and Cheney for torture or other war crimes. Since the only reason to prosecute them would be for political reasons, it follows that the only reason not to prosecute them would be for political reasons.

    All of which stands in stark contrast to the very obvious, heinous, and real crimes committed by Saddam Hussein, for which he was hanged, as you correctly point out, by the Iraqis. But I can't help but think George Bush's actions didn't play just a small role in the lead up to Saddam's hanging... what do you think?


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Interesting juxtaposition.

    You couldn't have been more dead on in your statement that political factors are the basis for the decision to prosecute (or in our case not prosecute) Bush and Cheney for torture or other war crimes. Since the only reason to prosecute them would be for political reasons, it follows that the only reason not to prosecute them would be for political reasons.

    All of which stands in stark contrast to the very obvious, heinous, and real crimes committed by Saddam Hussein, for which he was hanged, as you correctly point out, by the Iraqis. But I can't help but think George Bush's actions didn't play just a small role in the lead up to Saddam's hanging... what do you think?

    I think you been looking for any reason to use the word 'juxtaposition', and found it.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Interesting juxtaposition.
    Not at all. In fact your quite wrong.

    You couldn't have been more dead on in your statement that political factors are the basis for the decision to prosecute (or in our case not prosecute) Bush and Cheney for torture or other war crimes. Since the only reason to prosecute them would be for political reasons,
    No, the only reason to prosecute them would be because they committed a crime. They are simply choosing not to do that right now for political reasons.

    it follows that the only reason not to prosecute them would be for political reasons.
    The only reason they don't prosecute them is political.
    All of which stands in stark contrast to the very obvious, heinous, and real crimes committed by Saddam Hussein, for which he was hanged, as you correctly point out, by the Iraqis.
    It doesn't stand in stark contrast at all. Two different governments, two different sets of elements for why prosecution was/is warranted.
    But I can't help but think George Bush's actions didn't play just a small role in the lead up to Saddam's hanging... what do you think?
    Really? Oh yeah, the unnecessary invasion. I'd forgotten about that.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can think of several ways to determine that a person knows something. Torture doesn't rank very high on the list.
    No one is proposing using EIT to determine whether a person has information to extract using EIT. That doesn't make sense and that is exactly how you responded to my post.

    Apparently you are lost. No one is arguing that EIT be used on someone who doesn't know anything. That is, there should be something akin to a warrant that allows EIT to be used.
    Please see #1 from this post. #1 is assumed to be true in order to allow EIT. http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058049506
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