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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I hate to break it to you, TD, but I have it on good authority, from my sister in law who served for 3 years there, that GITMO is, in fact, U.S. soil.



    It's not considered "CONUS" an is in a quasi "US soil" state.


    This is why cubanos have to swim to FL, not hop the fence at GITMO....
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - B. Franklin

    I find it disturbing that the loudest "patriots" are those who would throw away that part of America for which generations shed the most blood...our integrity and honor.



    Says the guy who wants to ban certain weapons for cosmetic reasons...



    What liberty is being given up here? How is this even relevant?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I've tried reading this forum from my phone, it does not work well at all.


    Iphone. works ok.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Do you seriously think they're going to rat when they are not afraid of death? Especially considering ratting out a cause in which they are prepared to die for?

    Think about it.



    Yes, even with EIT and not using torture.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Iphone. works ok.
    i have the G1. I like have an actual keyboard with these buttons.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I've already discussed this report (not O'Reilly's interview, but the actual report). The ONLY verified instance of actionable information is KSM's tower plot. That's ONE. I've not said "it never works." In fact I've acknowledged it worked with him. What you have provided is a rehash of points already made, point I'm aware of, points I've discussed. This is actually the basis for my statement of "one or two out of 50 or 100 doesn't mean torture is effective."
    Or it more likely means, its not effective when its used against those who don't actually know anything. That is the problem I stated as #1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I can discuss both because both are relevant. I'm not moving the goalposts at all, I'm discussing the entire issue of torture and it's all within the scope of the debate. If you are uncomfortable playing on such a large field then don't play. But nobody has moved any goal posts here, and you can't show evidence of me doing this.
    I've broken the topic down into two aspects. If you don't understand the importance in discussing topics in their respective parts I.E., that #1 and #2 are independent aspects, then we are done here. I'm not going to play this goal-post-shifting-game where every time one aspect is discussed the other aspect is brought up as a red-herring when one's reasoning is faltering. However, I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't discuss both aspects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That's your opinion. The problem is that it's not "well established."
    Of course. There isn't enouhg data and there hasn't been a public study (that I'm aware of) to prove it one way or the other (once again, I AM ASSUMING #1 IS ESTABLISHED). But neither is your opinion that its ineffective when its used on people where #1 is established.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Or it more likely means, its not effective when its used against those who don't actually know anything. That is the problem I stated as #1.
    The problem is that you don't know who does and doesn't know anything, and torture can incent someone who doesn't know anything to make **** up.

    This ain't rocket science, dude.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that you don't know who does and doesn't know anything, and torture can incent someone who doesn't know anything to make **** up.
    So you can't fathom any way one can reasonably determine that a person may know something?

    This ain't rocket science, dude.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So you can't fathom any way one can reasonably determine that a person may know something?

    This ain't rocket science, dude.
    I can think of several ways to determine that a person knows something. Torture doesn't rank very high on the list.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Worked is an important term to define. Particularly given that the FBI agent assigned to deal with KSM noted that the torture strategies didn't develop any new information that hadn't already been gained by traditional interrogation tactics.

    Thus, terror DIDN'T work, per se. Because, if we are going to step into that realm, it better work a whole hellalot better than legal means. It actually is LESS effective, according to the FBI's lead interrogator.

    Thus, waterboarding (and other enhanced interrogation methods), were a huge mistake, because not only did they demean our national identity, THEY FAILED TO DELIVER NEW INFORMATION. These tactics failed on TWO levels.

    I'm not going to rely on my own claims, but I'll let the FBI's lead interrogator in this area speak for me:

    The Agent In Place: Torture Didn't Work - The Atlantic Politics Channel


    So, the term to describe waterboarding someone 83 times when time is of the essence: SLOW. Ineffective. Unreliable.

    That isn't "working".
    Oh, I agree with you on this. The term "worked" is a misnomer, but it's better than saying it was "effective."

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