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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In other words, you're angry about all this just because you hate President Bush.

    Helpful to know that.
    I voted for him twice.

    I don't hate him. However, I'm not particularly partisan, and I don't consider anyone to be above the law, including him. In my mind, he broke the law, and worse, he directed others to do so. This is a relatively new perspective to me, but it's an unmistakeable conclusion based upon the information I've read in the past 6 months. A year ago, I'd have been standing where you are.

    But, nice partisan kneejerk! Thanks for playing!
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    So you admit that this whole waterboarding-is-torture nonsense is a foolish canard of the lunatic left, with no substance other than hating on a past President?
    Actually, I consider the entire "enhanced interrogation techniques" discussion, of which waterboarding is only a small part, to be an extremely important discussion to have in terms of setting future direction.

    Further, as someone is quite hawkish in nature, and fits the historic definition of a neo-con, this isn't really about trying to engineer the fall of Bush (at least, for me). It's about making sure we don't ever repeat this mistake. It's about setting policy direction for the future. And, it's about completing the Iraq/afghanistan missions---successfully.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Also? It's about doing what works:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pol...post1058049805

    I like bad criminals to go to jail and stay there for a LONG, LONG time. I don't like it when we allow government agencies to do shoddy work and risk public safety.

    But hey, that's just me. I'm kind of a law and order girl. I don't believe anyone, for the record, is above the law. In fact, the greater their power, the harder they should fall if the violate the public trust.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, I consider the entire "enhanced interrogation techniques" discussion, of which waterboarding is only a small part, to be an extremely important discussion to have in terms of setting future direction.
    Fine and dandy. But harping on Bush's non-crimes is looking back not looking ahead.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Fine and dandy. But harping on Bush's non-crimes is looking back not looking ahead.
    I don't know that I would classify Bush's actions in this era as "non-crimes," nor am I sure how this issue should be handled. I'm not much of a fan of a truth commission, nor do I necessarily want to see prosecutions unless we can be assured that they are truly bi-partisan.

    But, pretending that Bush couldn't melt butter on his cool little tongue isn't productive, either.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But, pretending that Bush couldn't melt butter on his cool little tongue isn't productive, either.
    Never said that, claimed that, or hinted at that. I said Bush's and his Administration's actions were not criminal.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Never said that, claimed that, or hinted at that. I said Bush's and his Administration's actions were not criminal.
    I think it's too early to make that assessment.

    However, having said that, I am not necessarily a fan of prosecuting them. I think it might be incredibly divisive for the country, and do more harm than good.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think it's too early to make that assessment.

    However, having said that, I am not necessarily a fan of prosecuting them. I think it might be incredibly divisive for the country, and do more harm than good.
    There's no "might" about it.

    If folks want to eschew waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques, and Dear Leader wants that to be the policy of his administration, so be it, and pray God no terrorist strikes occur as a result.

    If folks want to tar and feather those that set a different policy, that's a problem--and a stance not in keeping with the historically articulated values of this country.

    What makes the lunatic left's position so offensive is the sheer hypocrisy the lunatic left applies to the situation: Gitmo is bad, but Bagram Air Base is good; Bush detentions were bad, but Dear Leader detentions are ok; Bush waterboarding is torture, but we reserve the right to do it if we need to, since we realize that it did obtain actionable intelligence.

    Make the policy change if that's what is desired. I actually support that. Do not criminalize past policy. That deserves no support.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Methinks a witty rejoinder and some repartee would be most welcome at this juncture. Have you any to offer?
    Your posts supply all the humor we can handle. It seems Catz Part Deux put you in your place quite nicely.

    Enjoy your version of the proverbial ostrich hole.
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    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Make the policy change if that's what is desired. I actually support that. Do not criminalize past policy. That deserves no support.
    I'm still torn on the issue, to be honest. There is a huge part of me that would like to lop off Cheney AND Pelosi's heads, in one fell swoop. It would be hugely satisfying.

    Then the Mature part of me kicks in and reminds me that, no matter how temporarily satisfying such an act might be, the long term ramifications would likely not be.
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