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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    What was that Grateful Heart said about "screaming"?

    Yep. No debate going on here. But thanks for sharing!
    Exactly.

    Some fools mistake heated rants on Internet message boards for 'debate.' Some mistake heated rants by the likes of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow for 'debate.'

    Obama has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Congress has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    The international community has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Despite those clear facts, millions of partisan hacks on the Internet seem to be living under the delusion that someone, somewhere, will be prosecuting Bush and Cheney for torture.

    And they tell us to pull our heads out of our arses... Funny.


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Exactly.

    Some fools mistake heated rants on Internet message boards for 'debate.' Some mistake heated rants by the likes of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow for 'debate.'

    Obama has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Congress has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    The international community has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Despite those clear facts, millions of partisan hacks on the Internet seem to be living under the delusion that someone, somewhere, will be prosecuting Bush and Cheney for torture.

    And they tell us to pull our heads out of our arses... Funny.

    Proof? Or are you just making it up?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Exactly.

    Some fools mistake heated rants on Internet message boards for 'debate.' Some mistake heated rants by the likes of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow for 'debate.'

    Obama has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Congress has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    The international community has no intention of going after Bush and Cheney on torture.

    Despite those clear facts, millions of partisan hacks on the Internet seem to be living under the delusion that someone, somewhere, will be prosecuting Bush and Cheney for torture.

    And they tell us to pull our heads out of our arses... Funny.

    Yes well that person has been thread banned now. Care to debate my points? Or are you just going to foist the theory that "no prosecution means no crime?" You seem to be proliferating this idea that if Bush or Cheney isn't prosecuted then there is no problem, that the subject isn't worth debating.

    I think what you're engaging in is sticking your head in the sand and blowing smoke out your ass with your insistence this is a non-issue because nobody has issued an arrest warrant for George Bush.

    We have tortured people, we have killed people while doing it. Our government turned the dogs loose to do this. Vicarious liability. It applies here and should go as far up the chain as is justified in order to hold those who were complicit responsible.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are much better than this, scourge. You and I have been on the opposite sides of many arguments, but many times I have respected your opinion because you offered substance. This isn't one of those times. You are much better than Truth Detector, and his insults, covert attacks, name calling, and overall jerkiness. I ask you to prove me right on that. Most likely, I will really hate your answers to the questions, but if given the way I know you can give them, you will have my respect. Just give your honest opinion, and leave it at that. I might not agree with it, but I will give it a serious listen if it the kind of response I know that you have in you. Deal?
    With respect to what specifically do you think I am being dishonest or disingenuous?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Autopsy reports reveal homicides of detainees in U.S. custody.
    FBI Records: Reprocessed Documents.
    This was part of a FOIA request that revealed the several incidents of homicide of detainees in custody from abuse and from interrogations. The second link has a lot of interesting documentation about U.S. interrogations.
    Lewis E. Welshofer Jr. Killed an Iraqi general during an investigation while torturing him.
    Human Rights First Releases First Comprehensive Report on Detainee Deaths in U.S. Custody

    Interrogator Says U.S. Approved Handling of Detainee Who Died. David Passaro, what a patriot, just doing his best in the "post 9/11 reality" to save lives.



    The Death of an Iraqi Prisoner. Here's a great example of torture at work.

    I'll let you digest this information, I can get you more, but I'd hope you would actually takes steps to educate yourself on this issue a bit.

    I'd like to assume that everyone we tortured had information we needed, we're America. We don't torture innocent people, do we?

    You're not actually forming a successful rebuttal with this tactic of yours.


    That doesn't even make sense. Torture is not simply a "tool" to be used. It's a vile, dehumanizing act that violates human rights and is repugnant on all levels. Your dismissive and simplistic description of this practice does not actually serve as any kind of logical argument.
    Each was an example of murder and extra-judicial action. None of it was apparently within the confines of the law consistent with due process and open to public or private scrutiny or oversight which is WHAT I AM ADVOCATING. I have never advocated willy-nilly EIM or any method in which a sleeping bag and electrical cord are used to suffocate a victim by strangulation or shackles are used to impart physical lacerations on a suspect.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Each was an example of murder and extra-judicial action. None of it was apparently within the confines of the law consistent with due process and open to public or private scrutiny or oversight which is WHAT I AM ADVOCATING. I have never advocated willy-nilly AIM or any method in which a sleeping bag and electrical cord are used to suffocate a victim by strangulation or shackles are used to impart physical lacerations on a suspect.
    What about dogs used to impart physical lacerations on a alleged suspect?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    What about dogs used to impart physical lacerations on a alleged suspect?
    What about using honey to coat a suspected terrorist and letting bears chase him through the woods while his family members look on in disgust and worry?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    What about using honey to coat a suspected terrorist and letting bears chase him through the woods while his family members look on in disgust and worry?
    You aren't still under the impression that "all that were tortured were terrorists" are you?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You aren't still under the impression that "all that were tortured were terrorists" are you?
    Have I ever been?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What part of "once or twice out of 50 or 100" doesn't validate your position that "torture works" isn't clear to you? It only means it very rarely ever works and is almost always ineffective.

    There are plenty of experts in the field who have already given weighted, experienced counters to your argument, many more in fact than those who actually attempt to validate your argument. Yet, you don't seem interested in their opinion. Are you simply unaware of them? Have you not done your research? If you have then why have you disregarded them? If not, then why haven't you tried to educate yourself on the issue?
    perhaps I'm still educating myself on the issue so what do you think about this:[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UnkZuJ0Qrk]YouTube - Terrorist Interrogation Program Works[/ame]
    Note: 2 YEARS ago. Quote: "names and addresses.. more than a dozen plots". But keep in mind these are all undisclosed sources.

    There was a book I was listening to earlier that mentioned an Israeli interrogation (or maybe somebody else) that proved valuable. I'm going back through them to try to nail it down.

    There are 2 substantial problems with interrogation:
    1) determining whether they have information. (pre-interrogation)
    2) determining whether extracted information is legitimate. (post-interrogation)

    You keep flip-flopping between #1 and #2. Pick one you want to discuss and stick with it before moving the goalposts to the other.

    I think its pretty well established that EIT has a fair chance at working when used on people who you know have information (assumes #1 is true). I don't know what percentage or the likelihood but its proven valuable on the few occasions where a government dares to disclose that its performed such an act.
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