Sure, don't substantiate your case because I simply won't change my mind. That's a good reason for not validating your position. The bottom line here is that you cannot substantiate your case with evidence. You have simply decided in your mind that you have no problem with torture for whatever reason. But it's not because you know it's effective. You don't know that at all because there is no evidence to substantiate it. I'll not speculate as to what your real reasons are because they are irrelevant to be honest. It's a personal choice that you've made and that's all that really matters at this point.We all know how it ends. Its not 100% and anything but that is too low for you. Even if it was 100% you'd reject it on other grounds. Its pointless to debate this aspect with you. Not that there is enough data available to justify any such certainty. Torture isn't exactly something you make public, successfull or not.
No, you are quite wrong. None of my reasons for rejecting torture are hypothetical. Here is what I know to be well established fact:Yet you rely on nothing but your personal subjective morals which are nothing more than the summation of hypothetical situations derived from logic and/or intuition and/or experience.
- Torture is illegal.
- We have tortured individuals needlessly and then released them in Afghanistan.
- We have killed detainees with torture.
- Torture is barbaric.
- Torture is ineffective. There are far more credible experts who agree with me on this than there are that disagree.
- There is no available evidence to support the notion that torture is effective.
Not at all.Are you scared that you may find fault in your position?
Last edited by Lerxst; 05-28-09 at 08:14 PM.
Your argument isn't valid.