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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Such interrogation techniques have proven successful at extracting needed intel despite the fact that not every single interrogation attempt is guaranteed to extract needed information..

    I.E., it works X% of the time and X > 0.

    Does that make more sense to you?
    What percentage of the time does torture/EITs get actionable intelligence, and what percentage of the time does conventional noncontrovercial methods get actionable intelligence?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Only very rarely, prove me wrong or prove yourself right. You cast that net, I'll side with the majority and say "no."

    An example has already been provided. How do you gauge the effectiveness of a technique? Because out of 50 it worked on 2? Do you consider all the bad information you got as a result of people saying whatever they could to make it stop? Do you count all the experts whose experience says that it doesn't work? Or do you change the litmus test for effectiveness to mean "if it works even once or twice it's effective, regardless of how many we torture?"
    why should I bother? We all know how it ends. Its not 100% and anything but that is too low for you. Even if it was 100% you'd reject it on other grounds. Its pointless to debate this aspect with you. Not that there is enough data available to justify any such certainty. Torture isn't exactly something you make public, successfull or not.

    No, your inability to cite specific evidence to support your case is proof that you don't have a case. You rely completely upon hypothetical situations like "what if john has a gun to your pregnant daughters head and sam knows where he is would you endorse torture then?"
    Yet you rely on nothing but your personal subjective morals which are nothing more than the summation of hypothetical situations derived from logic and/or intuition and/or experience.

    Are you scared that you may find fault in your position?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    One other thing that I have not seen mentioned. Do you really think these Islamic terrorists--who seem to have no issue with giving up their own lives for their cause--will sing like canaries by being tortured?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What percentage of the time does torture/EITs get actionable intelligence, and what percentage of the time does conventional noncontrovercial methods get actionable intelligence?
    25%..... Stating a number is silly because its almost entirely irrelevant. What percentage if any would be required in order for it to be permissiable for you? Why? If it doesn't matter then why ask?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    25%..... Stating a number is silly because its almost entirely irrelevant. What percentage if any would be required in order for it to be permissiable for you? Why? If it doesn't matter then why ask?
    You are the one making claims as to the effectiveness of torture. if you can't give those figures, you have no actual case in that regards.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    25%..... Stating a number is silly because its almost entirely irrelevant. What percentage if any would be required in order for it to be permissiable for you? Why? If it doesn't matter then why ask?
    Or, how about what % of Muslims hate America because of the torture that they utilize in their interrogation techniques?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    One other thing that I have not seen mentioned. Do you really think these Islamic terrorists--who seem to have no issue with giving up their own lives for their cause--will sing like canaries by being tortured?
    That depends on whether you think a suicidal-anything makes you mentally strong or mentally unstable and weak. I imagine both occur.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    That depends on whether you think a suicidal-anything makes you mentally strong or mentally unstable and weak. I imagine both occur.
    Do you seriously think they're going to rat when they are not afraid of death? Especially considering ratting out a cause in which they are prepared to die for?

    Think about it.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are the one making claims as to the effectiveness of torture. if you can't give those figures, you have no actual case in that regards.
    And if you can't give them then you can't make a case against it. Especially so because it has worked in the past.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    And if you can't give them then you can't make a case against it. Especially so because it has worked in the past.
    Better than other techniques? Can you prove that?

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