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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We are advocating that we don't act like those we claim to despise. Nobody is saying that we stop fighting terrorist organizations or abandon Democracy in favor of being subjugated by tyrannical foreign powers. Quite the opposite.
    The farcical attempt to claim that we do act like our enemies is asinine and cannot be supported by REALITY or the FACTS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We are advocating that we fight the good fight. That we maintain a legitimate position of righteousness in how we prosecute our enemies. That we don't sink so low as to do completely unnecessary acts of brutality on prisoners for the purpose of fishing for information.
    What part of "fighting" is "good?" What parts of our efforts were not legitimate or righteous?

    Again, give us something more than just emotional highly opinionated Liberal hyperbole.

    The notion that we have sunk to the level of our enemies in THIS debate is asinine and offensive and impugns good people who were trying to do their duty to protect their fellow citizens after 9-11. It is a mentality, or rather a lack of one, that requires one to live in a pre-911 world. It is an ideal that can only be expressed in a vacuum of facts and the reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    We should be above all that. We should be able to legitimately say "we are right, we are fighting the good fight, and we are above the cowardly and repugnant actions of our enemies."

    We should be able to say that.
    Yep, I am sure our enemies and the terrorists are all sitting around saying; DAMN, those Americans are no longer sinking to OUR level and are ABOVE us in morality.

    Do Liberals ever see the stupidity of such asinine arguments?

    The TRUTH is that this has ZERO to do with us having the higher moral ground; that is a given based on our actions and those of our enemies and no desperate hyper partisan Liberal attempt to re-define it makes us less moral.

    The TRUTH is that this is a political partisan attempt to impugn the previous administration in the court of public opinion and nothing more.

    I have YET to see any of the Liberals here show how our methods meet the REAL definition of torture, how this torturous internal debate has made our nation safer, how this debate has made our troops safer and how this debate is anything more than a political witch hunt.

    There’s no “high ground” here, we already own it. That notion is pure hyperbolic BS expressed by a political ideology in this nation, and perhaps others, which is wallowing in denial and offensive farcical rhetoric.

    Carry on.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - B. Franklin

    I find it disturbing that the loudest "patriots" are those who would throw away that part of America for which generations shed the most blood...our integrity and honor.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I think GWB even agreed
    why do I care what GWB said?

    there was a difference between us and the terrorists. Are you saying there isn't? There are no "good guys and bad guys?" Please clarify.
    many differences, many similarities. Far too many to list.


    This is completely ridiculous. Nobody here is weak-kneed or cowardly about this issue. That is a common tactic that is flawed to it's very core, extremely lazy, and disingenuous at best (I'm being kind with my words).
    ipse dixit?

    We are advocating that we don't act like those we claim to despise.
    and we don't. We don't saw off peoples heads because they aren't our religion or because they offended us. We waterboard VERY SPECIFIC people for VERY SPECIFIC information.

    Nobody is saying that we stop fighting terrorist organizations or abandon Democracy in favor of being subjugated by tyrannical foreign powers. Quite the opposite.
    you just want to fight with both hands tied behind your back instead, got it.

    We are advocating that we fight the good fight. That we maintain a legitimate position of righteousness in how we prosecute our enemies. That we don't sink so low as to do completely unnecessary acts of brutality on prisoners for the purpose of fishing for information.
    this is refuted by my strong advocation of due process for the use of torture.

    We should be above all that. We should be able to legitimately say "we are right, we are fighting the good fight, and we are above the cowardly and repugnant actions of our enemies."
    we are. We don't saw off our enemies head an inch at a time when they are alive in order to recruit new members and scare our enemies.

    We should be able to say that.
    if you listen carefully, we are.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - B. Franklin

    I find it disturbing that the loudest "patriots" are those who would throw away that part of America for which generations shed the most blood...our integrity and honor.
    I find it disturbing that Liberals continue to desperately assert that anyone has given up any Liberties; please, point out some of these Liberties we have given up as a nation, I would like to see some.

    Every time I have asked this question I get nothing but more emotional hyperbolic BS, but never any FACTS to support these absurd contentions.

    But that stated, what good is a citizens Liberty if their lives are threatened by an invisible enemy who has clearly stated the goal is to kill even higher numbers of our citizens than were lost on 9-11?

    What part of this entire debate do you people continue to NOT get; or is it just willful ignorance or political hyper partisanship?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Every time I have asked this question I get nothing but more emotional hyperbolic BS, but never any FACTS to support these absurd contentions.
    Pretty sure I provided such, perhaps you missed it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058048358
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Read the UN definition of what constitutes torture; SEVERE physical or mental pain.
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    Thanks for a definition at least. There has been quite a bit of emotional screeching around here without even defining torture. It is quite probable many of us may be using the same terms but meaning something else altogether.

    Now define severe so we can all agree to it.


    According to much of this thread I have been tortured most of my life by various sports and activities.
    Most recently the Titan at six flags.


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The farcical attempt to claim that we do act like our enemies is asinine and cannot be supported by REALITY or the FACTS however.



    What part of "fighting" is "good?" What parts of our efforts were not legitimate or righteous?

    Again, give us something more than just emotional highly opinionated Liberal hyperbole.

    The notion that we have sunk to the level of our enemies in THIS debate is asinine and offensive and impugns good people who were trying to do their duty to protect their fellow citizens after 9-11. It is a mentality, or rather a lack of one, that requires one to live in a pre-911 world. It is an ideal that can only be expressed in a vacuum of facts and the reality.



    Yep, I am sure our enemies and the terrorists are all sitting around saying; DAMN, those Americans are no longer sinking to OUR level and are ABOVE us in morality.

    Do Liberals ever see the stupidity of such asinine arguments?

    The TRUTH is that this has ZERO to do with us having the higher moral ground; that is a given based on our actions and those of our enemies and no desperate hyper partisan Liberal attempt to re-define it makes us less moral.

    The TRUTH is that this is a political partisan attempt to impugn the previous administration in the court of public opinion and nothing more.

    I have YET to see any of the Liberals here show how our methods meet the REAL definition of torture, how this torturous internal debate has made our nation safer, how this debate has made our troops safer and how this debate is anything more than a political witch hunt.

    There’s no “high ground” here, we already own it. That notion is pure hyperbolic BS expressed by a political ideology in this nation, and perhaps others, which is wallowing in denial and offensive farcical rhetoric.

    Carry on.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

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    Well ****. I can't keep up with the bombardment of responses all by myself by posting and reading from my phone so I'll just wait to postpone responding to future posts until I get home.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Well ****. I can't keep up with the bombardment of responses all by myself by posting and reading from my phone so I'll just wait to postpone responding to future posts until I get home.
    I've tried reading this forum from my phone, it does not work well at all.
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