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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    What exactly does this 'oh so elusive and subjective goal of attaining the "moral high ground" accomplish?
    I think GWB even agreed there was a difference between us and the terrorists. Are you saying there isn't? There are no "good guys and bad guys?" Please clarify.

    When we become a nation which acquiesces to the subjective moral views of the weak-kneed and cowardly then we hamstring ourselves and our future.
    This is completely ridiculous. Nobody here is weak-kneed or cowardly about this issue. That is a common tactic that is flawed to it's very core, extremely lazy, and disingenuous at best (I'm being kind with my words).

    We are advocating that we don't act like those we claim to despise. Nobody is saying that we stop fighting terrorist organizations or abandon Democracy in favor of being subjugated by tyrannical foreign powers. Quite the opposite.

    We are advocating that we fight the good fight. That we maintain a legitimate position of righteousness in how we prosecute our enemies. That we don't sink so low as to do completely unnecessary acts of brutality on prisoners for the purpose of fishing for information.

    We should be above all that. We should be able to legitimately say "we are right, we are fighting the good fight, and we are above the cowardly and repugnant actions of our enemies."

    We should be able to say that.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    IThis is completely ridiculous. Nobody here is weak-kneed or cowardly about this issue. That is a common tactic that is flawed to it's very core, extremely lazy, and disingenuous at best (I'm being kind with my words).
    I think you're wrong. I say those who would abdicate intrinsic human rights out of fear are, in fact, weak-kneed and cowardly.

    What was it that Ben Franklin said?

    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
    Also, guys on the interwebs who refer to 16 year Army vets as weak-kneed and/or cowardly deserve a solid ass-kicking.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 05-28-09 at 05:51 PM.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    11 days isn't prolonged?
    Eleven days of WHAT? What part is severe? Where is it an attempt to illegally illicit confessions?

    You can't even come close to a factually argument that supports the farcical claim that water boarding meets the definition of torture.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Eleven days of WHAT? .
    Eleven days of being held in shackles, naked, without sleep, in positions that cause physical pain.

    I find your disengenousness on such a serious topic disturbing and a little sad.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    1. It makes it more likely that the local populace in places like Iraq, those who AREN'T fleabag wannabe terrorists (aka, the overwhelming majority), will be receptive to our forces there.
    how so?

    2. It makes it less likely that said individuals will join organizations and attack our military personnel on the grounds that we look exactly like Saddam Hussein.
    because Osama and any other enemy has such a difficult time creating or fabricating propaganda otherwise?

    3. It makes it less likely that our military personnel will, in return, be tortured by our enemies, who can offer up our actions as justification for their own (what's good for the goose is good to the gander).
    this is a worn out falsehood. Our enemies torture, rape, and kill our soldiers, contractors and civilians no matter what our stance on torture is. They always have, always will.

    4. It helps us remain true to our national heritage and avoid the slippery slope of undermining core principles such as:
    all you had to say is "slippery slope". Dismissed.

    "All men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights..."
    inalienable rights which we alienate every day with executions, prisons, etc. Inalienable right is an oxymoron.
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    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think you're wrong. I say those who would abdicate intrinsic human rights out of fear are, in fact, weak-kneed and cowardly.

    What was it that Ben Franklin said?
    Well to be honest I was referring to those that were being unfairly labled...but wait, you already knew that.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    how so?
    Given that our role in Iraq is now one of policing rather than of combat operations, it is a basic premise of community-oriented policing that you never want to act in such a way that you alienate the local populace. You must be seen to be above reproach. If we want Iraqis and others to buy into the idea of constitutional republics, intrinsic human rights, and the creation of a free and democratic society, we must walk the walk.

    I support the mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is far too important to allow partisan politics to stop the work that has been done, and the sacrifices that have been made.

    because Osama and any other enemy has such a difficult time creating or fabricating propaganda otherwise?
    The local populace in Iraq will quickly tire of terrorist actions directed at them, as long as our men and women are performing their jobs effectively. Propaganda always exists...you don't want to give the propagandists further ammunition that undermines our mission.

    Propaganda is one thing, but WE REALLY DID THIS STUFF. Are you blind to the longterm ramifications of this?

    this is a worn out falsehood. Our enemies torture, rape, and kill our soldiers, contractors and civilians no matter what our stance on torture is. They always have, always will.
    It largely depends upon the enemy. We will be going to war sometime in the future against a different enemy and in different circumstances. The actions of today determine how our personnel will be treated in the future.

    all you had to say is "slippery slope". Dismissed.
    Weak sauce.

    inalienable rights which we alienate every day with executions, prisons, etc. Inalienable right is an oxymoron.
    A person who is charged with a crime, receives a fair and impartial trial and access to counsel, and is adjudicated by a jury of his peers -- has received his inalienable rights.

    The people we're discussing have not received any of that.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 05-28-09 at 06:11 PM.

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