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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Saying its torture.

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    Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

    Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

    I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

    Article is here.
    Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.

    Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.

    In Vietnam, the same assholes that want to brand the Bush Administration as War Criminals defended the Communist Vietcong for their treatment of our prisoners by claiming the claims were fabricated. You can't get more asinine than that can you?

    As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?

    The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.

    What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.

    Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they know ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.

    But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture.
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm in awe that some don't see waterboarding as torture. How can it not be? Justify it all you want, but it cannot be regarded as anything else. Period.
    Ok, you say it's torture. Ummm.....so what?

    A talking head gets water poured up his nose and he says its torture. Ummm.....so what?

    Three terrorists who got water poured up their nose said stuff a great deal more interesting--actionable intelligence. It accomplished what it was meant to accomplish. Every interrogation technique ever devised has as its motivation getting people to reveal things; the caliber of the technique is gauged by the quality of the information revealed. Call it torture all day long if that's what it takes to build up your self-esteem; it worked, and because it worked, CIA interrogators successfully accomplished their mission. All the pissing and pontificating about "oh, no, the dreaded T-word" won't alter the reality that the interrogators did what they needed to do to complete their mission.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Innocent terrorists?
    Yes Kinda make one wonder why the Bush Administration chose to torture many innocent people.

    For what reason? To save hundereds of thousands of lives as Dick put it?

    Or to desperately gain support for is WMD Saddam/9-11 lies?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.

    Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.

    In Vietnam, the same assholes that want to brand the Bush Administration as War Criminals defended the Communist Vietcong for their treatment of our prisoners by claiming the claims were fabricated. You can't get more asinine than that can you?

    As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?

    The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.

    What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.

    Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they no ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.

    But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture.
    On another thread I tried to give him some suggestions on creating not-so-trolling OPs, but he wasn't very open to my ideas.

    I tried.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Do you support them doing it to our troops?
    I would prefer our enemies to use the same methods on our troops that we use on theirs than what they actually do; cut their heads off and dragging their stripped naked bodies through the streets before hanging them up for display.

    In Vietnam they were subject to being electrocuted, strung up on racks and having their genitals crushed. Now THAT is real torture. The notion that Communists, Terrorists or the Nazi's thought, "gee, is they treat our prisoners with respect, maybe we should do the same" requires the same retarded logic displayed by the Liberal media suggesting that these TAME measures will result in our troops being treated worse than they already are.

    Do any Liberals ever see how asinine arguments like these are in the wake of REALITY and the FACTS?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Yes Kinda make one wonder why the Bush Administration chose to torture many innocent people.

    For what reason? To save hundereds of thousands of lives as Dick put it?

    Or to desperately gain support for is WMD Saddam/9-11 lies?
    Wow I have no idea how this post explains what I didn't understand of the last post, so now I'm really lost.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.
    I may not agree with you, but I respect your honesty and consistency on this matter.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Oh gee, another desperate attempt to impugn the Bush Administration with the asinine assertion that; (1) waterbaording is "torture" and; (2) that these methods will lead to our troops being tortured.
    Personally, I didn't see the Bush Administration or Bush for that matter mentioned anywhere in the OP or in any post thus far. Could you please clarify what he has to do with this?

    Let's address asinine assertion number TWO first; when our troops are captured, they REALLY are subject to despicable torture methods. I am POSITIVE that our men and women of the military only WISHED they would be treated the way we treat our prisoners.
    That may be so, but shouldn't we set ourselves to a higher standard? We shouldn't be so willing to blur the lines that separate us from them.

    As for number ONE; what part of severe mental and physical punishment does anyone NOT get in this asinine debate which is nothing more than a hyper partisan political attempt to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?
    Actually it isn't. The thread is specifically addressing Conservative radio host Mancow getting waterboarded. It has nothing to do with bashing the Bush administration.

    The New York Times, Liberal rag for the ultra left claimed that on one enemy combatant they performed this technique over 185 times; I submit to you that if that is the case and the technique were truly "SEVERE," this terrorist would be DEAD by now.
    How so? It is deemed as non-lethal. Just because it's non-lethal doesn't mean that it can't be considered torture.

    What is the most asinine about this entire desperate and despicable attempt to impugn previous administrations is the FACT that the political cretins like Pelosi who are attempting to try and prosecute their political opponents in the public arena were privy to the techniques and said NOTHING...NADA....ZILCH.
    That may be so and if it is true they deserve to be critcized as well. And again, this has nothing to do with being partisan or attacking the previous administration.

    Carry on; I am sure this is not the last of the asinine attempts to raise this issue as if it had even the slightest merit. Of course the usual cabal of hand wringing forum Liberals will blather the thread with their typical feigned outrage about issues they no ZERO about and claim these are terrible times.
    Personally I think it is a worthwhile and interesting discussion. If you are so disgusted by it why are you contributing?

    But if you want to REALLY understand torture; it is having to read the never ending Bush Bashing threads Dan puts up on this forum; now THAT is REAL torture.
    Again, if you could please point out the Bush bashing I would love to see it.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then I support torturing high-value enemy combatants.
    If US wishes to torture, no one can stop them.
    But can they do the rest of the world the courtesy and stop describing itself as some form of beacon for human rights and quit preaching and whining about what other countries do


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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ok, you say it's torture. Ummm.....so what?

    A talking head gets water poured up his nose and he says its torture. Ummm.....so what?

    Three terrorists who got water poured up their nose said stuff a great deal more interesting--actionable intelligence. It accomplished what it was meant to accomplish. Every interrogation technique ever devised has as its motivation getting people to reveal things; the caliber of the technique is gauged by the quality of the information revealed. Call it torture all day long if that's what it takes to build up your self-esteem; it worked, and because it worked, CIA interrogators successfully accomplished their mission. All the pissing and pontificating about "oh, no, the dreaded T-word" won't alter the reality that the interrogators did what they needed to do to complete their mission.
    This has absolutely zero to do with what you quoted. Some people do in fact say that waterboarding is not torture. This is what she was commenting on, not whether it worked or not, which is questionable and unprovable(ie, we do not have any way of knowing if other methods would have been as effective or more effective).

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