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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Correction; "their emotion filled hysteria based on the hyper partisan political purpose intended to impugn the previous administration for the mere fact that they disagreed with their political views and continue to pretend that 9-11 never happened."

    Actually, it has nothing to do with that. The subject of this thread is about how a Conservative was waterboarded and changed his mind on waterboarding as a result. Mancow, who was a Bush lover, not a Bush hater, is not a Liberal. Mancow is the subject of this thread.

    So tell me, why do YOU believe that a Conservative changed his mind on waterboarding, once he himself experienced it?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, it has nothing to do with that. The subject of this thread is about how a Conservative was waterboarded and changed his mind on waterboarding as a result. Mancow is not a Liberal. Mancow is the subject of this thread.
    Once again, it is patently OBVIOUS what this debate about; your desperate assertions to the contrary are merely entertainment at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So tell me, why do YOU believe that a Conservative changed his mind on waterboarding, once he himself experienced it?
    Would it have been less relevant if a Liberal had done this? Tell me something, why is the fact that he is “Conservative” even a relevant talking point for you?

    Answer that question, and you will see the light and reality of my comments regarding the partisan political nature of this debate.

    Now, a better question to ask yourself, which you won't of course, is did this technique cause the "CONSERVATIVE" irreparable harm? Did it cause SEVERE physical and mental harm per the definition of what constitutes torture?

    No it OBVIOUSLY did not; it merely scared the CRAP out of a radio show person who had no clue what he was about to endure and proved why we subject our own troops to these methods as a preparation to what they may expect. Unfortunately, the techniques used by our enemies are so obviously severe that we cannot possibly prepare our troops for them without causing severe permanent physical damage, permanent mental harm or basically killing them.

    Any other desperate arguments you care to make regarding this asinine debate which is basically an attempt by Liberal Democrats to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again, it is patently OBVIOUS what this debate about; your desperate assertions to the contrary are merely entertainment at best.



    Would it have been less relevant if a Liberal had done this? Tell me something, why is the fact that he is “Conservative” even a relevant talking point for you?

    Answer that question, and you will see the light and reality of my comments regarding the partisan political nature of this debate.

    Now, a better question to ask yourself, which you won't of course, is did this technique cause the "CONSERVATIVE" irreparable harm? Did it cause SEVERE physical and mental harm per the definition of what constitutes torture?

    No it OBVIOUSLY did not; it merely scared the CRAP out of a radio show person who had no clue what he was about to endure and proved why we subject our own troops to these methods as a preparation to what they may expect. Unfortunately, the techniques used by our enemies are so obviously severe that we cannot possibly prepare our troops for them without causing severe permanent physical damage, permanent mental harm or basically killing them.

    Any other desperate arguments you care to make regarding this asinine debate which is basically an attempt by Liberal Democrats to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?
    People have been trying to keep you on topic throughout the thread despite your attempts to derail it. Thus far you are the only one who has tried to tie it to the Bush Administration. If you want to debate about that then you should probably start a thread relating to that. This thread is about Mancow getting water boarded.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once again, it is patently OBVIOUS what this debate about; your desperate assertions to the contrary are merely entertainment at best.



    Would it have been less relevant if a Liberal had done this? Tell me something, why is the fact that he is “Conservative” even a relevant talking point for you?

    Answer that question, and you will see the light and reality of my comments regarding the partisan political nature of this debate.

    Now, a better question to ask yourself, which you won't of course, is did this technique cause the "CONSERVATIVE" irreparable harm? Did it cause SEVERE physical and mental harm per the definition of what constitutes torture?

    No it OBVIOUSLY did not; it merely scared the CRAP out of a radio show person who had no clue what he was about to endure and proved why we subject our own troops to these methods as a preparation to what they may expect. Unfortunately, the techniques used by our enemies are so obviously severe that we cannot possibly prepare our troops for them without causing severe permanent physical damage, permanent mental harm or basically killing them.

    Any other desperate arguments you care to make regarding this asinine debate which is basically an attempt by Liberal Democrats to impugn the previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes?
    Once more you talk around the Q and bring up your Liberal bogey men. This is about a CONSERVATIVE who is against waterboarding, not a Liberal. And while I am at pinning you down on a question you have consistently refused to answer, let me make an excellent CONSERVATIVE case against waterboarding by providing you an essay by CONSERVATIVE blogger Jim Minzi, which gives the reasons why we should not waterboard anyone:

    The essay is here.

    I can also bring up other Conservatives who are against waterboarding, which I am prepared to do. However, in light of the evidence I have brought up so far, which not only proves your dishonesty in refusing to answer the question, but also proves your dishonesty in attempting to deflect the question...........

    I will ask you the question again:

    What is your take on Conservatives who are against waterboarding? More specifically, why did a Conservative change his mind after being waterboarded?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not all Conservative talk show hosts are big sissies like Sean Hannity. Controversial Conservative host Erich Mancow is one of them. Unlike Hannity, he followed through on his pledge to be waterboarded, and the result? He lasted 6 seconds, and now believes that waterboarding IS torture.

    Mancow has my respect, not only for practicing what he preaches, but also for honestly admitting that he was wrong. Too bad Hannity is not the same way. It seems that Mancow has more honesty in his little finger than Hannity has in his whole body.

    I want to see what the hyperpartisans are going to say now. Are they going to accept this, or has Mancow just now magically become a Liberal jihadist who hates America?

    Article is here.
    What was he expecting to happen? Its a technique used to extract information by placing the subject under duress. Was he expecting to be immune or macho enough to withstand it. What a moron.

    Personally I'm not against waterboarding as torture because there exist scenarios that its permittable, though rare. What I'm against is such acts conducted without due process of the law.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If hysteria is the wrong word it's only because much of the hysteria has died down now - in the media. But folks do seem hysterical over this issue -to me.
    I find the lack of reaction from some far more disturbing.

    Actually we do know that waterboarding by the CIA never
    caused even injury let alone permanent physical damage. "I hated it and have nightmares," is not physical damage. At this point we don't even know if the 1,2,3 people who experienced this at the hands of the CIA even have nightmares over it. Given who they are, I don't much care if they do.
    It's not about who THEY are. It's about who WE are.

    One of my favorite conservatives (Ronald Reagan) believed that waterboarding was torture. That's why the practice was prosecuted by federal DOJ, ON HIS WATCH.

    That's good enough for me.

    Forgive me if your opinions on the subject hold far less weight than those of Reagan.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If hysteria is the wrong word it's only because much of the hysteria has died down now - in the media. But folks do seem hysterical over this issue -to me.
    Many of us against this issue do so from a moral standpoint. We disagree with torture or whatever euphemism you want to use to describe it because we think it is wrong, that it goes against what we feel our country should stand for. This is hardly hysterical, but if it makes you feel better to dismiss those who disagree with you on a moral issue as "hysterical", I guess that is fine...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talloulou
    Actually we do know that waterboarding by the CIA never
    caused even injury let alone permanent physical damage. "I hated it and have nightmares," is not physical damage. At this point we don't even know if the 1,2,3 people who experienced this at the hands of the CIA even have nightmares over it. Given who they are, I don't much care if they do.
    I don't think you are going to find much if any sympathy for the terrorists among those against torture. I know you won't find any from me. It is also irrelevant to why I am against torture. I am against torture because it is wrong to do that to any one to my mind.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What is your take on Conservatives who are against waterboarding? More specifically, why did a Conservative change his mind after being waterboarded?
    I'd like to know if Truth Detector can answer a simple question:

    If waterboarding is Okay, why did the department of justice, under Ronald Reagan, prosecute it as a crime?

    Here's another one:

    If waterboarding is okay, does Truth Detector support U.S. police departments using it to gain confessions from suspects?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'd like to know if Truth Detector can answer a simple question:

    If waterboarding is Okay, why did the department of justice, under Ronald Reagan, prosecute it as a crime?

    Here's another one:

    If waterboarding is okay, does Truth Detector support U.S. police departments using it to gain confessions from suspects?
    Actually, I was holding that one back. I am holding back a lot of other ammo too. TD has painted himself into a corner, and I am going to hold his feet to the fire now.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, I was holding that one back. I am holding back a lot of other ammo too. TD has painted himself into a corner, and I am going to hold his feet to the fire now.
    :grabbing the popcorn and settling in to watch the fun:

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