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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    And see I look at it as our government did not even slightly injury anybody by waterboarding so the mass hysteria is bewildering.
    Physically no, but psychologically yes.

    Are you saying it is legal to torture someone psychologically just as long as there is no physical injuries?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We waterboarded 3 enemy combatants. 3. The waterboarding did not physically harm them in any way. Left no mark on them. Your hysteria is completely unwarranted.
    1. Hysteria is a demeaning term that is utterly incompatible with a frank discussion of the issues. If you expect civility, then live up to it.

    2. The claim that it did not harm them is clearly false in light of the descriptions of physical suffering from those who have experienced waterboarding. Did it cause permanent physical damage? Quite frankly, neither you, nor I, know. So, making this claim is simply absurd. It's beneath you, Talloulou.

    3. This behavior is incompatible with who we are, as a nation. I don't care about damaging THE TERRORISTS. I care about damaging MY COUNTRY and our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    People did not willingly lay their lives down to protect and defend this country so we could adopt tactics of torturing for our convenience.

    Further, by doing so, we have made the jobs of ALL OF OUR BRAVE MILITARY PERSONNEL far more difficult.

    That's why we don't torture.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Physically no, but psychologically yes.

    Are you saying it is legal to torture someone psychologically just as long as there is no physical injuries?
    I do not believe you can torture a person and really call it torture when they suffer ZERO physical injury. If there is maiming or any injury involved then I'd join in on the hysteria.

    But something that is done as a radio skit is simply not torture. We did not use salt water. We did not repeatedly punch them in the stomach or force them to bloat themselves on the water. It's nothing like what the Japanese did with their brand of water torture.

    I don't get the outrage. We do NOT do torture to our own soldiers. Radio personalities do not volunteer for torture. Torture isn't something you wonder about in such a way,

    "Hey man what do you think about that, is that torture?"

    "I don't know man. Here you do it to me and we'll see."

    "Ok."

    "Wow, man that really did feel like torture. You tortured me."

    ****z and giggles.

    Uh, no.

    I do believe some of the things our military does that nobody is complaining loudly about should be considered off the table.

    I'm against the cold cell hose treatment. It has killed. It is dangerous. It's pretty impossible to tell who might succumb to hypothermia and die. Thus it falls more accurately than waterboarding on the torture list in my opinion.

    I'm on the fence with sleep deprivation as it does actually harm the body and I'm sure there's lots of physical altercation involved in "keeping someone awake," for days.

    But the 3 guys who were watertortured? I could give a crap about that, really.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wanted to vote for McCain, but his off the cuff selection of Palin scared the bejeezus out of me. I like her, but in no way was she qualified to be VP. Maybe in 8 to 12 years...
    I am always amazed by this when the Democrat Candidate who is now President had FEWER qualifications than those of Palin who was merely the VP candidate. But what stuns me more is the notion that an intellectual midget like Biden is a better Veep.

    Even Obama knew he didn't have the experience but his vast EGO, ambition and arrogance got the better of him:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2encXLmPDo]YouTube - Obama Admits; I Should Not Run For President In 2008[/ame]

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, we did injure somebody. We injured US. I have no sympathy for terrorists. But, this country stands for something. And this episode has tarnished what people have died to protect. That's serious.
    Wait, let me put your comments in context; "because you say so."

    Carry on.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We waterboarded 3 enemy combatants. 3. The waterboarding did not physically harm them in any way. Left no mark on them. Your hysteria is completely unwarranted.
    Correction; "their emotion filled hysteria based on the hyper partisan political purpose intended to impugn the previous administration for the mere fact that they disagreed with their political views and continue to pretend that 9-11 never happened."


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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Physically no, but psychologically yes.

    Are you saying it is legal to torture someone psychologically just as long as there is no physical injuries?
    Read the UN definition of what constitutes torture; SEVERE physical or mental pain.

    Now with this, even the emotional hysterics in the New York Times screeching about one individual having this technique conducted a total of 183 times suggests that there is NOTHING severe about it.

    This is not hard to figure out; that is unless you are filled with emotional hysterics and attempting to impugn politicians you merely disagree with using hyperbole, outrageous semantics, lies and distortions for purely hyper partisan political purposes; which in your case I would submit is definitely in the affirmative here.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    1. Hysteria is a demeaning term that is utterly incompatible with a frank discussion of the issues. If you expect civility, then live up to it.
    If hysteria is the wrong word it's only because much of the hysteria has died down now - in the media. But folks do seem hysterical over this issue -to me.

    Did it cause permanent physical damage? Quite frankly, neither you, nor I, know. So, making this claim is simply absurd. It's beneath you, Talloulou.
    Actually we do know that waterboarding by the CIA never
    caused even injury let alone permanent physical damage. "I hated it and have nightmares," is not physical damage. At this point we don't even know if the 1,2,3 people who experienced this at the hands of the CIA even have nightmares over it. Given who they are, I don't much care if they do.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I care about damaging MY COUNTRY and our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    No you don't; that is a lie based on your emotional hysterics about the previous administration somehow conducting illegal torture on those poor pathetic terrorists.

    If you gave a damn about this country or the men and women who are still putting their lives at risk, you would denounce this OBVIOUS political posturing by the Democrats who are merely using this issue to promote their partisan agenda.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    People did not willingly lay their lives down to protect and defend this country so we could adopt tactics of torturing for our convenience.
    First off, your assertion; "so we could adopt tactics of torturing for our convenience," is outright false and intended to inflame rather than have a coherent debate. Where did ANYONE "adopt tactics of torturing for our convenience?" What a patently asinine and farcical assertion.

    Soldiers aren't laying down their lives to support that asinine partisan political hackery we are seeing from the Democrats using their deaths to promote and support their Liberal agenda.

    They are LAYING down their lives because Democrats AND Republican politicians voted to send them into harms way. Afterwards, the Democrats decided they were against their VOTE before they were FOR it and now use the troop’s deaths and this fabricated torture issue for purely partisan political purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Further, by doing so, we have made the jobs of ALL OF OUR BRAVE MILITARY PERSONNEL far more difficult.
    What a farcical and un-provable assertion which mirrors the asinine comments of Obama. The REAL thing that makes their jobs harder is the farcical asinine claim that the United States condones wanton torture of its detainees.

    The despicable and incomprehensible bullschit that constitutes the Democrat Party hyperbole on this issue is definitely putting our troops at further risk and does NOTHING, I repeat ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to make this nation stronger or safer or make our troops job easier. In FACT, it does the EXACT opposite.

    The only thing more uninformed than your farcical rhetoric is the notion that this debate is merely an effort to become more open, honest and transparent. Damn, I need my freaking hip waders in this forum anymore!

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's why we don't torture.
    The notion that “WE” torture is about as asinine as the assertion that Gitmo has served as a recruitment tool for Al Qaeda.

    It’s about as asinine as Nancy Pelosi’s desperate assertions that the CIA lied to Congress and misled her and it was all Bush’s fault. It would be hysterical if it weren’t so damned stupid and dangerous.

    Carry on.

    P.S. If I sound angry on this issue and your obvious BS, I am. Nothing can infuriate me more than when someone who thinks this asinine argument about torture is actually GOOD for our troops or this nation.
    Last edited by Truth Detector; 05-28-09 at 02:12 PM.

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