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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, in my first post, I asked if Erich Mancow would magically become a Liberal to the hyperpartisans. And, of course, the hyperpartisans didn't let me down.

    The subject of this thread is not about Liberal assertions, nor is it about Nancy Pelosi, nor Obama, nor the man in the moon. The subject of this thread is about how a Conservative (NOT a Liberal) volunteered to be waterboarded, how being waterboarded changed his mind, and why he now believes that waterboarding is torture.

    All your Liberal bogeymen are nothing but red herrings, which make your whole argument patently dishonest.
    Wait a minute Dan, you caught me off guard with this asinine notion that this entire debate has nothing to do with Liberals, Conservatives or politics and I didn't have time to get my hip waders on.

    [Hip waders now on]; Dan, this entire debate is exactly what I said it is; it is a political attempt to IMPUGN a previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes.

    Now maybe in your fantasy world this is not a partisan issue, but in the REAL world where most of us do play, this stinks of partisanship.

    Why can I say this you may ask; because the very Democrats making such hysterical claims were also BREIFED on these techniques before and after they were used.

    Now you can pretend that this is merely an attempt to assert that water boarding is torture, which it is not based on the TRUE definition of what constitutes torture the requirement of SEVERE physical or mental pain, but people with BRAINS can actually comprehend the desperate denial it would take to suggest that this is a NON-PARTISAN issue.

    What makes such asinine assertions even MORE laughable is that they were made on a POLITICAL debate forum called "Debate Politics."

    Carry on Dan; your desperate attempts to avoid REALITY are only exceeded by your farcical and hysterical notions about hyperpartisans.

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Three. As in: One, two, threeeeeeeeeeeeee.
    Three people were water boarded.

    Waterboarding and the special effects program of interrogation went through legal review.
    Pelosi knew it and said nothing.

    Holder recently blew the entire "torture" sideshow about waterboarding out of the water.



    End of story.

    We have no intent to do permanent harm.
    Waterboarding is not an act of vengeance or retribution.
    Waterboarding is used in dire circumstances with uncooperative individuals who could have information that could save lives.

    It was used three times.
    Which shows it was used in cases where getting information was critical to national security.

    And it produced results quickly.

    What is torturous is witnessing gobs of ignorant Americans tying the hands of those trying to protect this country, criminalizing their behavior, generally crapping on the United States, the troops and their leaders (Betrayus) and the intel services that defend them... as Pelosi has and so many Libs do.

    That takes a special effort in skirting intellectual curiosity.

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    Bravo Zimmer, pretty much puts the emotional hysterics, lies and distortions typified by ADK and Slippery's arguments in perspective doesn't it?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wait a minute Dan, you caught me off guard with this asinine notion that this entire debate has nothing to do with Liberals, Conservatives or politics and I didn't have time to get my hip waders on.

    [Hip waders now on]; Dan, this entire debate is exactly what I said it is; it is a political attempt to IMPUGN a previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes.
    They actually seek to criminalize their behavior.
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    I think a couple words from Justice Thomas during his confirmation sums up, not what they seek to do, but what have actually done to date:
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Cheney has publicly asked Obama to release what these interrogations have produced. I hope he continues to hold Obama's feet to the fire, calling him out with every parsing of the facts he participates in.

    Obama gave only part of the story, that which HE could use as a political weapon. He failed to reveal what was achieved.

    I wonder why?

    Don't you, or do you lack intellectual curiosity?

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    Dick Cheney is the master at leaking classified information, including the covert status of Valerie Plame. If he had information that torture is justified, he would have released it. So besides this vapor trail, what has torture achieved?

    If you believe anything Dick Cheney says, you clearly lack not only intellectual curiosity but any sort of hold on reality.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wait a minute Dan, you caught me off guard with this asinine notion that this entire debate has nothing to do with Liberals, Conservatives or politics and I didn't have time to get my hip waders on.

    [Hip waders now on]; Dan, this entire debate is exactly what I said it is; it is a political attempt to IMPUGN a previous administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes.

    Now maybe in your fantasy world this is not a partisan issue, but in the REAL world where most of us do play, this stinks of partisanship.

    Why can I say this you may ask; because the very Democrats making such hysterical claims were also BREIFED on these techniques before and after they were used.

    Now you can pretend that this is merely an attempt to assert that water boarding is torture, which it is not based on the TRUE definition of what constitutes torture the requirement of SEVERE physical or mental pain, but people with BRAINS can actually comprehend the desperate denial it would take to suggest that this is a NON-PARTISAN issue.

    What makes such asinine assertions even MORE laughable is that they were made on a POLITICAL debate forum called "Debate Politics."

    Carry on Dan; your desperate attempts to avoid REALITY are only exceeded by your farcical and hysterical notions about hyperpartisans.
    Bolded quote 1) Are you therefore saying that the CONSERVATIVE who changed his mind after being waterboarded is part of the movement to impugn Bush merely for political purposes? He voted for Bush, and was an ardent Bush supporter, so once again, we come down to the fact that either Erich Mancow, a staunch Conservative, is now being falsely labeled as part of the Liberal agenda, or Liberal red herrings are being presented in order to throw the discussion off of the real issue, which is why a Conservative is now against waterboarding after experiencing it. That is the real issue, and the subject of this thread.

    Bolded quote 2) There is absolutely no excuse for such inflammatory statements, and personal attacks, and no place for it in this thread. Your post has been reported.
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Dick Cheney is the master at leaking classified information, including the covert status of Valerie Plame. If he had information that torture is justified, he would have released it. So besides this vapor trail, what has torture achieved?

    If you believe anything Dick Cheney says, you clearly lack not only intellectual curiosity but any sort of hold on reality.
    1. It isn't torture. Holder just proved it.
    2. Valuable info was acquired from KSM.
    3. Ask Obama to release what was achieved, something he did not do when releasing sensitive information. Why not release the full picture so the people can make a fact based judgment?

    Does the name Richard Armitage mean anything?
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwJCUZHZjV8]YouTube - Richard Armitage Admits Plame Leak "Extraordinarily Foolish"[/ame]

    The interesting bit beyond providing you news the GEICO Caveman knew, is Plame's name was on a memo and no coverts names appear on memo's... only analysts.

    CNN.com - Armitage admits*leaking*Plame's identity - Sep 8, 2006

    Cheney asks for Obama redacted material to be open.
    Doesn't it make you curious? The material and why Obama chose to deal from the bottom of the deck?
    Or does it make you nervous?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quite simple: my personal comfort level is higher than yours.
    Now, I do not mean "higher" as in "superior", I mean "higher" as in "more tolerant"; smiler to pain tolerance, ironically.
    So I assume from your dismissal of the effects of waterboarding as something acceptable to your "personal comfort level", that you have indeed been waterboarded and know what the hell you are talking about?

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    1. It isn't torture. Holder just proved it.
    not quite following the dim logic of this statement
    2. Valuable info was acquired from KSM.
    KSM revealed his information 4 years after he was waterboarded.
    3. Ask Obama to release what was achieved, something he did not do when releasing sensitive information. Why not release the full picture so the people can make a fact based judgment?
    If there were anything there, why wouldn't Cheney have released it before January 20?

    Does the name Richard Armitage mean anything?
    yes, he's a stooge for Dick Cheney

    The interesting bit beyond providing you news the GEICO Caveman knew, is Plame's name was on a memo and no coverts names appear on memo's... only analysts.


    Cheney asks for Obama redacted material to be open.
    Doesn't it make you curious? The material and why Obama chose to deal from the bottom of the deck?
    Or does it make you nervous?

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    People who have seen the files say there is nothing there. I have no reason to believe Dick Cheney on anything.
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Three. As in: One, two, threeeeeeeeeeeeee.
    Three people were water boarded.
    If it was so effective, why wasn't it used on more prisoners?

    Waterboarding and the special effects program of interrogation went through legal review.
    Legal? R U serious?

    Pelosi knew it and said nothing.
    This fantasy still has not been proven.

    Holder recently blew the entire "torture" sideshow about waterboarding out of the water.
    End of story.
    link?
    We have no intent to do permanent harm.
    Waterboarding is not an act of vengeance or retribution.
    Waterboarding is used in dire circumstances with uncooperative individuals who could have information that could save lives.
    1st do don't matter. Last is a big fat lie.

    It was used three times.
    It was used 183 times. Read much?

    Which shows it was used in cases where getting information was critical to national security. And it produced results quickly.
    It got NO useful infor. The guy that actually used other techniques on Abu testified to such. Abu was talking to him. As soon as the CIA amateurs were ordered by Cheney to waterboard, he clammed up. Everytime they used wb on him he clammed up.

    [quote]What is torturous is witnessing gobs of ignorant Americans tying the hands of those trying to protect this country, criminalizing their behavior, generally crapping on the United States, the troops and their leaders (Betrayus) and the intel services that defend them... as Pelosi has and so many Libs do.And it produced results quickly.

    I guess the fact that this has been illegal in the USA and internationally for decades doen't matter to you, ehh?

    That takes a special effort in skirting intellectual curiosity.
    Your entire line of reasoning is nothing but Bushie rhetoric and lies puked up on demand. This nonsense carries no weight and fools no one.
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    The radio jock that MANCOW GUY ( not to be confused with Rachel Madcow ) that tried the waterboarding is on Keith Udderrman right now and he admiited he would have admitted to "anything" if he was being questioned while he was undergoing waterboarding. Mancow said that yes this was orture.

    Mancow also said that Shaun Vanityy called him and Vanity who CHICKENED out of his promise to undergo waterboarding told MANCOW that it was"not torture. This is just another reason why I call VANITY Vanity because he is one big chicken scared craphead phoney. Shaun the Phoney is one piece of crap and all run of the mouth. If I was a GOPPER I would be ashamed to admitt that Shaun Vanity is in the same party !!!
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