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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Yeh, sure. Name one instance of that happening outside of 24

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Well that answers my question, now, doesn't it?

    Thank you for confirming that I cannot take you seriously. Buh-bye.
    You folks are so off the charts ignorant and blind, the only way to stick around is to have a little fun.

    It's like being in a forum with a bunch of Pelosi's, Obama's and Biden's; the Junior High Mob.

    I guess this won't mean a thing to you; isn't serious enough.

    Coming in From the Cold: CIA Spy Calls Waterboarding Necessary But Torture - ABC News
    Click Here for Part One of the Transcript with John Kiriakou.

    Click Here for Part Two of the Transcript with John Kiriakou.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 1
    The Capture of Abu Zubaydah

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 2
    Zubaydah says he had nothing against the United States.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 3
    Zubaydah said 9/11 was supposed to be a wake-up call to the U.S.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 4
    Zubaydah: "I would kill every American and Jew I could get my hands on."

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 5
    Is Waterboarding Torture?

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 6
    Waterboarding: Not Something Pretty to Watch

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 7
    Enhanced Techniques: Sleep deprivation was effective, Kiriakou says.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 8
    Abu Zubaydah was completely cooperative.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 9
    Al Qaeda is always planning another major attack, Kiriakou says.

    CIA Agent Speaks Out, Part 10
    Waterboarding, right now, is unnecessary, Kiriakou says.
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Yeh, sure. Name one instance of that happening outside of 24

    Cheney has publicly asked Obama to release what these interrogations have produced. I hope he continues to hold Obama's feet to the fire, calling him out with every parsing of the facts he participates in.

    Obama gave only part of the story, that which HE could use as a political weapon. He failed to reveal what was achieved.

    I wonder why?

    Don't you, or do you lack intellectual curiosity?

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It has everything to do with the asinine Liberal assertion that our troops will be at greater risk because of the use of these methods.
    You know, in my first post, I asked if Erich Mancow would magically become a Liberal to the hyperpartisans. And, of course, the hyperpartisans didn't let me down.

    The subject of this thread is not about Liberal assertions, nor is it about Nancy Pelosi, nor Obama, nor the man in the moon. The subject of this thread is about how a Conservative (NOT a Liberal) volunteered to be waterboarded, how being waterboarded changed his mind, and why he now believes that waterboarding is torture.

    All your Liberal bogeymen are nothing but red herrings, which make your whole argument patently dishonest.
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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Well that answers my question, now, doesn't it?

    Thank you for confirming that I cannot take you seriously. Buh-bye.
    You took him seriously once?

    Ask him to provide evidence that torture, or waterboarding, or EITs or whatever euphemism has worked better than traditional, noncontroversial techniques. Then watch him totally fail to provide any, since there is no such evidence.

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Cheney has publicly asked Obama to release what these interrogations have produced. I hope he continues to hold Obama's feet to the fire, calling him out with every parsing of the facts he participates in.

    Obama gave only part of the story, that which HE could use as a political weapon. He failed to reveal what was achieved.

    I wonder why?

    Don't you, or do you lack intellectual curiosity?
    There is "lacking intellectual curiosity" and "head stuck in the sand ignorance". Do you know the difference between the two?

    Aren't you "intellectually curious" why, after 7 1/2 years of torturing a whole lot of people (some of whom have been proven to be 100% innocent!), that Cheney only points to two (2!) documents, out of the thousands that must have been written, that he claims proves torture thwarted (prevented) terrorist attacks?

    Doesn't your "intellectual curiosity" wonder why those documents weren't declassified when President Cheney had the power to do so?

    Doesn't your "intellectual curiosity" ask, "Why weren't those documents leaked, like so much other classified info when it served their purposes, if they indeed had proof of this claim?"

    Did your "intellectual curiosity" ever question if Cheney picked those two (only 2!) documents specifically because he knew they contained information in them that couldn't be released?

    So tell me Z, where is YOUR "intellectual curiosity"?
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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    I've never heard of him, though for the life of me I can't figure out why (as a conservative) I'm supposed to base my opinions around what talk show hosts have to say. Is it because liberals base theirs upon left wing web site talking points?

    Personally I don't care whether or not it's torture. If they got information from Khalid Shaik Mohammed using it then that is good enough for me. If they didn't get information from him and it was done just to pass the time that also works for me. But the fact that they actually did get info is a really really nice bonus.

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then I would put it to you that the cannibal is just as moral in his society as the church goer is in ours.
    And thereby you could also say that the islamic jihadist is moral in his society as well.

    The point the "we-deny-it's-torture-until-enough-of-us-admit-it-is-and-now-our-mantra-is-we-don't-care-that-it's-torture" people seem to miss is that unless there are some basic moral issues that apply to all people then all you are left with is what a given society determines is or isn't moral.
    'If torture is good enough for the worlds leader to use, then it's good enough for us to use too...'

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    Re: Conservative radio host gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Yes you are right the Dems will not bring the charges...America will and the world will demand it.

    It's called doing the right thing.
    I am perfectly willing to take bets that your fantastical prediction will never occur.

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    Re: Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    There is "lacking intellectual curiosity" and "head stuck in the sand ignorance". Do you know the difference between the two?

    Aren't you "intellectually curious" why, after 7 1/2 years of torturing a whole lot of people (some of whom have been proven to be 100% innocent!), that Cheney only points to two (2!) documents, out of the thousands that must have been written, that he claims proves torture thwarted (prevented) terrorist attacks?

    Doesn't your "intellectual curiosity" wonder why those documents weren't declassified when President Cheney had the power to do so?

    Doesn't your "intellectual curiosity" ask, "Why weren't those documents leaked, like so much other classified info when it served their purposes, if they indeed had proof of this claim?"

    Did your "intellectual curiosity" ever question if Cheney picked those two (only 2!) documents specifically because he knew they contained information in them that couldn't be released?

    So tell me Z, where is YOUR "intellectual curiosity"?
    Three. As in: One, two, threeeeeeeeeeeeee.
    Three people were water boarded.

    Waterboarding and the special effects program of interrogation went through legal review.
    Pelosi knew it and said nothing.

    Holder recently blew the entire "torture" sideshow about waterboarding out of the water.

    Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

    Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

    Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?

    Holder: Intent is a huge part.

    Lungren: So if the intent was to solicit information but not do permanent harm, how is that torture?

    Holder: Well, it… uh… it… one has to look at... ah… it comes out to question of fact as one is determining the intention of the person who is administering the waterboarding. When the Communist Chinese did it, when the Japanese did it, when they did it in the Spanish Inquisition we knew then that was not a training exercise they were engaging in. They were doing it in a way that was violative of all of the statutes recognizing what torture is. What we are doing to our own troops to equip them to deal with any illegal act — that is not torture.
    End of story.

    We have no intent to do permanent harm.
    Waterboarding is not an act of vengeance or retribution.
    Waterboarding is used in dire circumstances with uncooperative individuals who could have information that could save lives.

    It was used three times.
    Which shows it was used in cases where getting information was critical to national security.

    And it produced results quickly.

    What is torturous is witnessing gobs of ignorant Americans tying the hands of those trying to protect this country, criminalizing their behavior, generally crapping on the United States, the troops and their leaders (Betrayus) and the intel services that defend them... as Pelosi has and so many Libs do.

    That takes a special effort in skirting intellectual curiosity.

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