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    North Korea and North VietNam are very similar in Communist growing up. They only want to control the world by dirty things such as nuclear weapon, fake money, sex and drugs selling. If you want to get troubles then touch North Korea and North VietNam.

    I think they are foxier than Iran or Taliban in killing American and other freedom countries. They may make another 119 problem to American for sure. Especially, Communist North VietNam is the most liars in the world. They smile to you outside but inside, they are keeping many knives and ready kill you !

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    South Korea/Japan will likely start going nuclear...maybe Taiwan/Australia
    Who cares. It's their decision; not ours.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Uh huh, and you want rogue loons to have nukes. You just don't have any credibility.
    It's not a matter of wanting, it's a matter of it's none of our business what they do.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It's not a matter of wanting, it's a matter of it's none of our business what they do.
    Yeah right. Go to sleep, we'll wake you when you're needed.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    And how would you propose that we "give" the North Korean people the opportunity to choose, other than by exerting military force, which certainly won't happen under our current Administration.
    I already suggested one way. There are others. Put some ships stuffed with grain off the coast near Chongjin and Wonsan. Unfurl some nice big banners with something like "free food from the free world" to get people's attention. If famine is half the problem it has been in the past, that will definitely get people's attention--and when hungry people can see the food their government is keeping them from having, more than a few are likely to be upset about that.

    We could take a page from the al-Qaeda playbook and do some stealth airdrops of cassette recorders with propaganda messages on them. Even North Koreans tend to be curious types, and I'd wager that someone stumbling across a bright shiny cassette recorder would be tempted to push the play button.

    The main problem with fomenting rebellion is that it takes time, and as North Korea already has nuclear weapons, time may not exactly be something the rest of the world has in abundance. Still, even if the end result is little more than to inspire one of Kim's inner circle to stage a coup, if we change a psychopathic dictator for a merely greedy one we have made progress.

    However one goes about it, the proximate objective needs to be regime change--but without external intervention. Popular uprising or palace coup is immaterial. Containing nuclear proliferation is easier with Kim out of power than in power, so however foreign policy towards North Korea is executed, getting Kim out of power needs to be a primary objective.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    And what in Earth would make one think that the North Korean citizenry is aware that their leader is insane? All media is rigidly controlled in that unhappy State, so to what could they possibly compare?
    They don't know he's insane. That much is a given. This is not about what they know, but what they believe. Right now, they believe Kim is some mythic leader who is protecting them and their way of life. We don't need to persuade them Kim is insane, we need to undercut their belief in him as a leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    South Korea/Japan will likely start going nuclear...maybe Taiwan/Australia
    What a limping comparison !

    When and where did Japan, Taiwan and Australia use nuclear to request foods and financial helping of the world ?

    South Korea is Korea totally. They are similar to North Korea. South Korea love North Korea. It is true clearly as sight of the sun.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Umm....he went from law student to "community organizer" to politician. He's never been anything BUT a layabout.

    As for his presumed brilliance--if he's so brilliant why does he make such stupid mistakes?
    He was a law prof in there, as well as being an associate at a major law firm. The fact that he takes positions that you disagree with doesn't make him stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    When it comes to nuclear weapons, it is without a doubt. What makes you think that the World would let an unprovoked (or frankly even provoked) nuclear attack go without punishment?
    Who said anything about a nuclear attack? It will almost certainly be conventional.

    That I seriously doubt. China won't use military. It will, as it is now, use economic power to simply force Taiwan to accept unification. Chinese FDI into Taiwan is massive and growing. China will simply wage economic warfare and bring Taiwan to its knees without firing a shot. The military spending is more geared towards relations with US and Russia. Besides, China knows that to take Taiwan, it will either have to take massive casualties or reduce the islands to rubble, neither of which is acceptable especially given the economic warfare alternative that is relatively cheap.
    Yea, China is drastically increasing the size of their blue water navy and their aerial denial capacity so that they can overwhelm Taiwan with their economy.

    Dude, they've been doing their damndest to overcome our air/sea superiority in that region for years, and they're starting to succeed.

    The flaw in your argument is you think conventional warfare is the same as nuclear warfare. We didn't let Saddam hold Kuwait with purely conventional. what makes you think that North Korea knows it can get away with a nuclear strike?
    Again, neither I nor anyone else assumed that NK would use their nukes first. They're there for MAD purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That and the cost of invading to the benefits are tiny. An invasion and disposal of Regime would result in millions of refugees into both China and South Korea. The economic impact would be massive upon both countries as would the reconstruction of North Korea. And even if North Korea didn't have nukes, no one frankly gives a **** enough to invade.
    If the benefits are so tiny, then why is the DMZ so heavily populated?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Again, you make the fatal flaw of assuming that nuclear war is the same as conventional war. The discussion here was as evident from the first post about the use of nuclear weapons in North Korea and how North Korea has uses other than actually using the weapon.
    For the third time, nobody is talking about nuclear war. The nukes are there to serve as a deterrent. The military action will be conventional.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Who said anything about a nuclear attack? It will almost certainly be conventional.
    First and second pages of the thread. Notice I replied to Moon about the use of missiles in delivering the nuclear weapons. Moon replied to B L Zeebub who said this: "He has no missiles with the capabilities to deliver a nuke!"

    Thus the whole discussion was revolving around usage of nuclear weapons. I suspect neither you nor Celticlord read the first page. This is probably one of the few threads where one or two posts provided the entire context and missing that entirely screws up any other future posts.

    Yea, China is drastically increasing the size of their blue water navy and their aerial denial capacity so that they can overwhelm Taiwan with their economy.
    Why blow them up when you can take them economically without firing a shot?

    Dude, they've been doing their damndest to overcome our air/sea superiority in that region for years, and they're starting to succeed.
    Eh. Maybe. And much of that due to theft of technology. Still, China is far more likely to economically take over Taiwan rather than by force. And what can the US do when Taiwan votes to join China because they have it by its economic balls? Nothing, that's what and China knows it. It can avoid war simply by large amounts of investment.

    Again, neither I nor anyone else assumed that NK would use their nukes first. They're there for MAD purposes.
    Read the first page and the first two posts of the second page. You missed some context here.

    If the benefits are so tiny, then why is the DMZ so heavily populated?
    Incorrect. The DMZ itself is empty. What is heavily populated is the borders of the DMZ.

    For the third time, nobody is talking about nuclear war. The nukes are there to serve as a deterrent. The military action will be conventional.
    First page and first two posts of second page. Again, you missed some context here.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by brighteyes09 View Post
    North Korea and North VietNam are very similar in Communist growing up. They only want to control the world by dirty things such as nuclear weapon, fake money, sex and drugs selling. If you want to get troubles then touch North Korea and North VietNam.

    I think they are foxier than Iran or Taliban in killing American and other freedom countries. They may make another 119 problem to American for sure. Especially, Communist North VietNam is the most liars in the world. They smile to you outside but inside, they are keeping many knives and ready kill you !
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    First and second pages of the thread. Notice I replied to Moon about the use of missiles in delivering the nuclear weapons. Moon replied to B L Zeebub who said this: "He has no missiles with the capabilities to deliver a nuke!"

    Thus the whole discussion was revolving around usage of nuclear weapons. I suspect neither you nor Celticlord read the first page. This is probably one of the few threads where one or two posts provided the entire context and missing that entirely screws up any other future posts.
    I read the entire thread. The fact that you're discussing one thing doesn't mean that nobody else can discuss something else that's directly related to the topic.

    Why blow them up when you can take them economically without firing a shot?
    Because "taking over a country economically" isn't as easy as you make it sound?

    Eh. Maybe. And much of that due to theft of technology. Still, China is far more likely to economically take over Taiwan rather than by force. And what can the US do when Taiwan votes to join China because they have it by its economic balls? Nothing, that's what and China knows it. It can avoid war simply by large amounts of investment.
    That's one theory. I've never read anything that would support it.

    If China could take over Taiwan so easily that way, can you explain why they're expending tens of billions on military equipment for which the only use is defeating US military in the region?

    Incorrect. The DMZ itself is empty. What is heavily populated is the borders of the DMZ.
    Thanks for pointing that out, I obviously meant to imply that everyone was lumped into the DMZ with the landmines.
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