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North Korea conducts nuclear test

South Korea/Japan will likely start going nuclear...maybe Taiwan/Australia

What a limping comparison !

When and where did Japan, Taiwan and Australia use nuclear to request foods and financial helping of the world ?

South Korea is Korea totally. They are similar to North Korea. South Korea love North Korea. It is true clearly as sight of the sun.
 
Umm....he went from law student to "community organizer" to politician. He's never been anything BUT a layabout.

As for his presumed brilliance--if he's so brilliant why does he make such stupid mistakes?

He was a law prof in there, as well as being an associate at a major law firm. The fact that he takes positions that you disagree with doesn't make him stupid.

When it comes to nuclear weapons, it is without a doubt. What makes you think that the World would let an unprovoked (or frankly even provoked) nuclear attack go without punishment?

Who said anything about a nuclear attack? It will almost certainly be conventional.

That I seriously doubt. China won't use military. It will, as it is now, use economic power to simply force Taiwan to accept unification. Chinese FDI into Taiwan is massive and growing. China will simply wage economic warfare and bring Taiwan to its knees without firing a shot. The military spending is more geared towards relations with US and Russia. Besides, China knows that to take Taiwan, it will either have to take massive casualties or reduce the islands to rubble, neither of which is acceptable especially given the economic warfare alternative that is relatively cheap.

Yea, China is drastically increasing the size of their blue water navy and their aerial denial capacity so that they can overwhelm Taiwan with their economy.

Dude, they've been doing their damndest to overcome our air/sea superiority in that region for years, and they're starting to succeed.

The flaw in your argument is you think conventional warfare is the same as nuclear warfare. We didn't let Saddam hold Kuwait with purely conventional. what makes you think that North Korea knows it can get away with a nuclear strike?

Again, neither I nor anyone else assumed that NK would use their nukes first. They're there for MAD purposes.

That and the cost of invading to the benefits are tiny. An invasion and disposal of Regime would result in millions of refugees into both China and South Korea. The economic impact would be massive upon both countries as would the reconstruction of North Korea. And even if North Korea didn't have nukes, no one frankly gives a **** enough to invade.

If the benefits are so tiny, then why is the DMZ so heavily populated?

Again, you make the fatal flaw of assuming that nuclear war is the same as conventional war. The discussion here was as evident from the first post about the use of nuclear weapons in North Korea and how North Korea has uses other than actually using the weapon.

For the third time, nobody is talking about nuclear war. The nukes are there to serve as a deterrent. The military action will be conventional.
 
Who said anything about a nuclear attack? It will almost certainly be conventional.

First and second pages of the thread. Notice I replied to Moon about the use of missiles in delivering the nuclear weapons. Moon replied to B L Zeebub who said this: "He has no missiles with the capabilities to deliver a nuke!"

Thus the whole discussion was revolving around usage of nuclear weapons. I suspect neither you nor Celticlord read the first page. This is probably one of the few threads where one or two posts provided the entire context and missing that entirely screws up any other future posts.

Yea, China is drastically increasing the size of their blue water navy and their aerial denial capacity so that they can overwhelm Taiwan with their economy.

Why blow them up when you can take them economically without firing a shot?

Dude, they've been doing their damndest to overcome our air/sea superiority in that region for years, and they're starting to succeed.

Eh. Maybe. And much of that due to theft of technology. Still, China is far more likely to economically take over Taiwan rather than by force. And what can the US do when Taiwan votes to join China because they have it by its economic balls? Nothing, that's what and China knows it. It can avoid war simply by large amounts of investment.

Again, neither I nor anyone else assumed that NK would use their nukes first. They're there for MAD purposes.

Read the first page and the first two posts of the second page. You missed some context here.

If the benefits are so tiny, then why is the DMZ so heavily populated?

Incorrect. The DMZ itself is empty. What is heavily populated is the borders of the DMZ.

For the third time, nobody is talking about nuclear war. The nukes are there to serve as a deterrent. The military action will be conventional.

First page and first two posts of second page. Again, you missed some context here.
 
North Korea and North VietNam are very similar in Communist growing up. They only want to control the world by dirty things such as nuclear weapon, fake money, sex and drugs selling. If you want to get troubles then touch North Korea and North VietNam.

I think they are foxier than Iran or Taliban in killing American and other freedom countries. They may make another 119 problem to American for sure. Especially, Communist North VietNam is the most liars in the world. They smile to you outside but inside, they are keeping many knives and ready kill you !

I LIKE this guy!

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First and second pages of the thread. Notice I replied to Moon about the use of missiles in delivering the nuclear weapons. Moon replied to B L Zeebub who said this: "He has no missiles with the capabilities to deliver a nuke!"

Thus the whole discussion was revolving around usage of nuclear weapons. I suspect neither you nor Celticlord read the first page. This is probably one of the few threads where one or two posts provided the entire context and missing that entirely screws up any other future posts.

I read the entire thread. The fact that you're discussing one thing doesn't mean that nobody else can discuss something else that's directly related to the topic.

Why blow them up when you can take them economically without firing a shot?

Because "taking over a country economically" isn't as easy as you make it sound?

Eh. Maybe. And much of that due to theft of technology. Still, China is far more likely to economically take over Taiwan rather than by force. And what can the US do when Taiwan votes to join China because they have it by its economic balls? Nothing, that's what and China knows it. It can avoid war simply by large amounts of investment.

That's one theory. I've never read anything that would support it.

If China could take over Taiwan so easily that way, can you explain why they're expending tens of billions on military equipment for which the only use is defeating US military in the region?

Incorrect. The DMZ itself is empty. What is heavily populated is the borders of the DMZ.

Thanks for pointing that out, I obviously meant to imply that everyone was lumped into the DMZ with the landmines. :roll:
 
I support Millitary to protect Peace and Security in the world such as US Millitary or UNDP Millitary. They are good !

But North Korea , North VietNam Governments are profesional gangsters to rob and terrify another country for foods only. They not only rob foods of thier citizens but also rob foods and money of many World Associations, UNDP, USA... What the stupid pigs. Communist North Korean and VietNam only want Eating, Sleeping and Making Love.

I can not believe them.
 
South Korea is Korea totally. They are similar to North Korea. South Korea love North Korea. It is true clearly as sight of the sun.

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You really think that we'd do nothing if North Korea used a nuclear weapon on someone?



Huh. I wasn't aware that the US was suppose to be the world's police. Didn't you bash Democrats for that idea?
First, what differnce does it make if we kill every single man, woman, child, and farm animal in North Korea after a nuclear attack?

Whatever anyone does afterward, will be a pahtetic act of revolting futility.

The correct answer is "very little."

As a matter of fact I have never in my life so far as I recall criticized the concept of the United States acting as world policeman, simply because there is no one else to fill the roll. I mat be in disagreement with a number of my political cohorts in this, but I am a great beliver in the concept that Neccesity trompsa all other considerations.
 
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USA is stil technically in a state of War with North Korea.
SO like it or not yes North Korea is the USA's business

Be blunt the UN has the ground to start the war right up right now over this if it wanted to or had any nations willing to do anything.


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This is all a BIG wake up call for Israel. You leave it to the "world" and Iran will not only get a nuke the UN will send a strongly worded letter to them. They won't even stand firm against a nation many of them are still at war with!

Most polls show Israelis evenly divided on attacking Iran...with the attack now segment being slightly ahead. I have zero confidence whatsoever in the dip some of you elected in the USA so Israel must set things in motion and defend us all.
 
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Where are all our hollywood nut cases now? Seems to me a short while back loonies like Shawn Penn and Rosie Odonnell were screaming for the heads of Americans in the name of anti-nuke tests parading up and down the city streets singing folk songs looking stupid as always. Where are you sacks of dung now?
 
I read the entire thread. The fact that you're discussing one thing doesn't mean that nobody else can discuss something else that's directly related to the topic.

But if you are responding to someone who is talking about a nuclear exchange who responded to someone who was talking about a nuclear exchange who earlier responded to someone about a nuclear exchange about why they are wrong about a conventional, that's rather foolish. You just changed the subject and then declared the person who was talking about a nuclear exchange wrong on the basis of a non-nuclear exchange when they were talking about a nuclear exchange.

And thanks for subtly admitting we were talking about nuclear warfare contrary to your earlier statement.

Because "taking over a country economically" isn't as easy as you make it sound?

But it is less damaging and doesn't risk war with the US. To me, that's easier. Especially since you get rich at the same time.

If China could take over Taiwan so easily that way, can you explain why they're expending tens of billions on military equipment for which the only use is defeating US military in the region?

Not just the US. The PRC is behind both Russia and the US in technology. Furthermore, Taiwan is not the only issue that the US and China clash on. Energy, Africa, human rights, the list goes on and on and on. Furthermore, China widely believed (at least in the brass, you should read some of their views, scary ****) that an armed conflict with the US is inevitable over time.
 
Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

In a stunning foreign policy victory for the Obama Administration, North Korea announced, shortly after the USGS reported a 4.7 magnitude disturbance, a successful underground nuclear test.



So far, the Obama administration is speechless.
How is this Obama's fault? They acquired nukes under the lil shrub admin.
 
Yet the ironic thing is that no one is ever going to invade them. The regime derives legitimacy from appearing strong in national defense yet in reality faces no actual enemies. In fact the biggest threat to North Korea is China as China could shut down the country in a week by closing off fuel and food.

They spend vast quantities of money as their people starve on defense against South Korea, the US and Japan (who will never invade) and yet the biggest existential threat to North Korea is the PRC's intolerance of what amounts to welfare. The world is a sick, sick joke.

The biggest problem with North Korean nukes is that the Conservatives in South Korea holding on to the views from the Korea War will want to get nukes. Then Japan will. And that's the beginning of an Asian Sh*t storm of everyone in the region trying to get nukes.

Just like when we gave nukes to Israel, huh?
 
People also have these notions that an aggressive action by a nation will always be met with the destruction of that regime's power.

I don't have the slightest shred of doubt that China will make a move toward Taiwan at some point in the future. Does that mean they're going to lose control of their country? No, it means they're going to do it at a time when they believe the reward is worth the risk.

Similarly, countries like NK or Iran may very well take action that you or I would consider irrational, because they may view things differently.

The view you're espousing is a nice one, because it would mean that no belligerent nation would ever do something risky and out of line. I think that's too much to hope for.

Our invasion of Iraq being the proof in the pudding.
 
Would were we supposed to do? Risking nuclear war over protecting the miserable government in Georgia wasn't worth it. The cold war may be over, but Russia can still destroy the world.



Lebanon was launching a full scale artillery attack on Israel. Why would prevent an ally from defending themselves?



If we weren't busy fighting 2 other wars, we might have been able to intervene. Furthermore, although the genocide in Darfur was truly horrific, it was an internal matter.

Since WW2, nobody has managed to perform any major land grabs, and there have been no big wars between real powers. That is pretty damn impressive. The world is probably more peaceful today than it ever has been since humans started civilization.

Sounds like the objective of the UN has basically been born out.
 
And who pray tell, would remove them from power? The United States under the administration of President Obama, who has assured us that small counties are no threat? I hardly think so.

No, you are seeing the first fruits of our abandonment of asstertiveness on the global stage.

The following stages promise to be even more dramatic.
Right, because NK didn't acquire and test nukes during the lil shrub admin. :doh Geez the revisionism by the right is in full swing.
 
Saddam Hussein faced a determined and assertive United States. That is not the case for the regime in North Korea. Barring action from China, or Russia, they are as safe and secure as a babe in its mother's arms.

They may even win concessions and aid (tribute) from this exercise.
Thanks to the shrub foreign policy. :2wave:
 
Sadly though, the United States cannot in good conscience instruct anyone on the evils of personality cults, not anymore.

We have elected a cult figure to the Presidency, who would not have been hired to run a discount shoe store.
True, but he's out of office now so hopefully we can influence others to help us do something right this time.
 
Ya'll are all missing the big picture here.

2006, NK fires a squib shot nuclear test. This was in reaction to the US stance towards the country at the time. We reacted strongly and got NK to shut it's program down.
:rofl we reacted strongly? What did we do that was so strong and manly, like a big bad cowboy with our six guns at the ready... :cowboy::shoot

Obama comes along and they decided to test him, so they fired that long ranged missile. Our response was weak.. nothing really happened. So they said "We're starting back up the Nuclear program" and now they've figured out how to do a crude A-bomb.

This was to get our attention.

They have not proven they can actually deliver the device, but NK, while rather insane, is not a country of suicidal maniacs. This was more to get "respect" and concessions from the US and others. No the real fear here, that they are working with, as they have in the past, Iran, and Iran is using NK to cover for it's own nuclear program.
Thanks lil shrub for inciting our enemies to work together for a nuclear weapons grab.
 
Thanks to the shrub foreign policy. :2wave:

Me thinks that this proverbial shrub you wax eloquent of is actually growing between thine ears; every argument or finger pointing blame is about this perceived "shrub."

What is it about Liberals where their world history appears to have started in 2000 and ends in 2008? :rofl
 
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