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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    People also have these notions that an aggressive action by a nation will always be met with the destruction of that regime's power.

    I don't have the slightest shred of doubt that China will make a move toward Taiwan at some point in the future. Does that mean they're going to lose control of their country? No, it means they're going to do it at a time when they believe the reward is worth the risk.

    Similarly, countries like NK or Iran may very well take action that you or I would consider irrational, because they may view things differently.

    The view you're espousing is a nice one, because it would mean that no belligerent nation would ever do something risky and out of line. I think that's too much to hope for.
    Much like when Saddam invaded Kuwait. He didn't think we come throw his ass out. He was wrong.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yet the ironic thing is that no one is ever going to invade them.
    The reason why nobody will ever invade them is because they have 15,000 guns fixed on Seoul and could kill 1-3 million within 20 minutes. When you look at it from that perspective, their actions here are perfectly rational and even more dangerous.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Much like when Saddam invaded Kuwait. He didn't think we come throw his ass out. He was wrong.
    Or like when Russia invaded Georgia. Or like when Israel invaded Lebanon. Or like the conflict in Darfur. Nobody in those conflicts thought that we (or anyone else) would step in and stop it, and they were right.

    Fact remains that in the majority of conflicts where a perfect world would demand an international response, nobody in the real world does anything about it.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Or like when Russia invaded Georgia.
    Would were we supposed to do? Risking nuclear war over protecting the miserable government in Georgia wasn't worth it. The cold war may be over, but Russia can still destroy the world.

    Or like when Israel invaded Lebanon.
    Lebanon was launching a full scale artillery attack on Israel. Why would prevent an ally from defending themselves?

    Or like the conflict in Darfur.
    If we weren't busy fighting 2 other wars, we might have been able to intervene. Furthermore, although the genocide in Darfur was truly horrific, it was an internal matter.

    Since WW2, nobody has managed to perform any major land grabs, and there have been no big wars between real powers. That is pretty damn impressive. The world is probably more peaceful today than it ever has been since humans started civilization.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Would were we supposed to do? Risking nuclear war over protecting the miserable government in Georgia wasn't worth it. The cold war may be over, but Russia can still destroy the world.
    And what will we do if China invades Taiwan? Risk nuclear war over protecting them?

    Lebanon was launching a full scale artillery attack on Israel. Why would prevent an ally from defending themselves?
    I wasn't limiting this to US actions. Nobody else intervened either.

    If we weren't busy fighting 2 other wars, we might have been able to intervene.
    And we're fighting two wars now, so what makes you think we'd be more capable of intervening in anything else?

    Furthermore, although the genocide in Darfur was truly horrific, it was an internal matter.
    According to China, Taiwan is an internal matter.

    Since WW2, nobody has managed to perform any major land grabs, and there have been no big wars between real powers. That is pretty damn impressive. The world is probably more peaceful today than it ever has been since humans started civilization.
    You don't consider Korea and Vietnam to be major land grabs or big wars?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power.
    By who? China? Not bloody likely.

    The US? Ah, screw that, the South Koreans were demanding the US leave their little pisspot of a country when their skater was disqualified for cheating in the final speed skating event. Cold War's over, I keep hearing, so I can't see why we should be bothered with that little squabble any more.

    Besides, my ex-fiancee from long long ago says her Tiburon is a crap car so it would serve S. Korea right.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Since WW2, nobody has managed to perform any major land grabs, and there have been no big wars between real powers. That is pretty damn impressive. The world is probably more peaceful today than it ever has been since humans started civilization.
    Thanks to the United States and our nuclear deterrent.

    And only to that.

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    Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What would you like them to do?
    Resign.

    You asked for it, don't cry about it.

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    Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wrong, so far Obama hasn't released any comment.
    Yeah, I hear The Messiah is a lawyer well versed in the art of perfectly pointless quibbling, too.

    That's why his tenure is going to be one of the worst we've seen in a long long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    The administration is far from speechless.
    I know what it is then, the Teleprompter Operators Functional Union (TOFU) doesn't allow any teleprompter work on weekends.

    Maybe the administration IS speechless, and has to wait for the speechwriters to write up a speech and for that speech to be turned into TOFU before it can be fed to the gullible TOFU swilling public. And I don't do TOFU, so I just haven't heard about it yet.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
    If they're backed into a corner with no way out, I can see it as a possibility. North Korea is dying, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them invade the south in a last ditch attempt at forceful reunification. I'm not talking about a thought out, rational decision by Kim Jong Il. I'm talking about the last ditch actions of a nation in its death throes.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

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