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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    What does he need missiles for? He could do significant damage to South Korea with a really big slingshot.
    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
    Well put. The massive spending on military is due to the fact that the DPRK is surrounded by potential invaders; it is seen more so in the DPRK than other countries because their doctrine - Juche - is based on self reliance and a stronger focus on national self defense.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The massive spending on military is due to the fact that the DPRK is surrounded by potential invaders; it is seen more so in the DPRK than other countries because their doctrine - Juche - is based on self reliance and a stronger focus on national self defense.
    Yet the ironic thing is that no one is ever going to invade them. The regime derives legitimacy from appearing strong in national defense yet in reality faces no actual enemies. In fact the biggest threat to North Korea is China as China could shut down the country in a week by closing off fuel and food.

    They spend vast quantities of money as their people starve on defense against South Korea, the US and Japan (who will never invade) and yet the biggest existential threat to North Korea is the PRC's intolerance of what amounts to welfare. The world is a sick, sick joke.

    The biggest problem with North Korean nukes is that the Conservatives in South Korea holding on to the views from the Korea War will want to get nukes. Then Japan will. And that's the beginning of an Asian Sh*t storm of everyone in the region trying to get nukes.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
    Saddam Hussein did everything he could to stay in power, including running the Mother of All Bluffs about weapons of mass destruction...which resulted in him getting his neck stretched.

    Governments will generally act to preserve and enlarge their power. What is far from certain, however, is which choices will accomplish that and which choices will accomplish their demise.

    The concern should be less that North Korea will behave irrationally and more that North Korea will behave rationally but erroneously.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Yet the ironic thing is that no one is ever going to invade them. The regime derives legitimacy from appearing strong in national defense yet in reality faces no actual enemies. In fact the biggest threat to North Korea is China as China could shut down the country in a week by closing off fuel and food.
    I do think, though, that at the time the DPRK was founded, the threat was very real, and only really collapsed after the invasion of Iraq was deemed a disaster. The Iraq invasion, though, posed a real threat, as it was the first "preemptive invasion", which basically made the threat that the US could/would invade any nation it wanted without provocation. Considering the fact that the DPRK has historically been one of the US's biggest enemies, I think that the threat, while not incredibly real or pressing, is understandable when perceived in such a way.

    They spend vast quantities of money as their people starve on defense against South Korea, the US and Japan (who will never invade) and yet the biggest existential threat to North Korea is the PRC's intolerance of what amounts to welfare. The world is a sick, sick joke.
    I don't know exactly how true this is. Last I heard aid and trade to the DPRK were being further restricted by China, South Korea and Japan, which leads me to believe that the allocation of resources to military expenditures isn't the sole reason for the food crisis in the country. South Korea has for some time been using aid and trade with the DPRK as a political lever.

    Saddam Hussein did everything he could to stay in power, including running the Mother of All Bluffs about weapons of mass destruction...which resulted in him getting his neck stretched.
    This was actually denied by him. The US was the one making this claim.
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    Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In a stunning foreign policy victory for the Obama Administration, North Korea announced, shortly after the USGS reported a 4.7 magnitude disturbance, a successful underground nuclear test.



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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    "You people better just stop doing that testing, ya hear?"
    So essentially the same as W's.
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    Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In a stunning foreign policy victory for the Obama Administration, North Korea announced, shortly after the USGS reported a 4.7 magnitude disturbance, a successful underground nuclear test.



    So far, the Obama administration is speechless.
    Wrong, so far Obama hasn't released any comment. The administration is far from speechless. But then again when you make dishonest characterizations like this it serves your agenda better.

    N. Korea Says It Conducts 2nd Nuclear Test, Reportedly Fires Short-Range Missile.
    In Washington, State Department spokesman Andy Laine said: "At this point, we've seen the reports and we're trying to get more information, but we're not able to confirm at this time." An official said the U.S. was gravely concerned by the claim and was analyzing the data.
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    Re: Nrth Korea confirms nuclear bomb test

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What would you like them to do?
    He doesn't actually know and it won't matter what they do anyway. He will mischaracterize it I'm sure and subject us all to his signature strain of rhetoric.
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
    People also have these notions that an aggressive action by a nation will always be met with the destruction of that regime's power.

    I don't have the slightest shred of doubt that China will make a move toward Taiwan at some point in the future. Does that mean they're going to lose control of their country? No, it means they're going to do it at a time when they believe the reward is worth the risk.

    Similarly, countries like NK or Iran may very well take action that you or I would consider irrational, because they may view things differently.

    The view you're espousing is a nice one, because it would mean that no belligerent nation would ever do something risky and out of line. I think that's too much to hope for.
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