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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The definition of war so that those who continue to make the farcical claims that no war can exist without a formal congressional declaration can be better informed before making such inane remarks (please not the highlighted definitions):

    Main Entry: war !wor
    Pronunciation: \ ˈwȯr \
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English werre, from Anglo-French werre, guerre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife; akin to Old High German werran to confuse
    Date: 12th century
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    1 a (1). a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) a period of such armed conflict (3) state of war b. the art or science of warfare c (1). obsolete weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic soldiers armed and equipped for war

    2 a. a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b. a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end - a class war - a war against disease c. variance odds
    Those people are using 'war' as defined in US law, not the dictionary definition. According to US a law, they are correct, and there is no war without Congressional action

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    An acute case of Bush Derangement Syndrome, coupled with an terrible lack of knowledge and a complete lack of understading of logic?

    Bush did X in Iraq, and so we must do X everywhere, regardless of circumstance.

    Seeing as the excuse to invade Iraq is that they were an "imminent threat", why couldn't that same excuse be used for other countries that are "imminent threats"?

    What made Iraq more of a threat then Iran or North Korea?
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Seeing as the excuse to invade Iraq is that they were an "imminent threat", why couldn't that same excuse be used for other countries that are "imminent threats"?
    Sure.
    But, it does not ligically follow that because we invaded Iraq because of tha imminent threat that we MUST also invade NKorea because of its imminent threat.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure.
    But, it does not ligically follow that because we invaded Iraq because of tha imminent threat that we MUST also invade NKorea because of its imminent threat.
    What was Iraq that North Korea is not that made it OK to invade Iraq but not North Korea?
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What was Iraq that North Korea is not that made it OK to invade Iraq but not North Korea?
    I didnt say it wasnt OK to invade NK.

    I --did-- say that it does not ligically follow that because we invaded Iraq because of tha imminent threat that we MUST also invade NKorea because of its imminent threat.

    Understand?

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So we are at war with Iran, Russia, Israel, China, Mexico, and pretty much any other country we are experience a "struggle" or have a "conflict" with?
    I see you also have little comprehension of what is meant by a "state of hostility" or "conflict".

    Your weak efforts to be purposefully obtuse to avoid the farcical arguments presented do not make your efforts any more credible. The historic record is LONG on the fact that a state of war can indeed exist WITHOUT a formal declaration of war and this is hardly a "partisan" argument.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Those people are using 'war' as defined in US law, not the dictionary definition. According to US a law, they are correct, and there is no war without Congressional action
    Please show us where it is stated in the Constitution that a state of war cannot exist between our nation and another unless the Congress formally declares war.

    I would like to see this Constitutional law.

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I didnt say it wasnt OK to invade NK.

    I --did-- say that it does not ligically follow that because we invaded Iraq because of tha imminent threat that we MUST also invade NKorea because of its imminent threat.

    Understand?
    Yes it does logically follow. If country performs action A and we invade because of action A and another like country performs action A should they not receive the same response as the previous country?

    To not adhere to this logic there must be something different between Iraq and North Korea that made Iraq MORE of a threat to us then North Korea currently is. What is that threat?
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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Seeing as the excuse to invade Iraq is that they were an "imminent threat", why couldn't that same excuse be used for other countries that are "imminent threats"?

    What made Iraq more of a threat then Iran or North Korea?
    Can you show me where in the Joint Resolution it argued that Iraq was an "imminent" threat?

    Obviously you haven't read this "formal" declaration authorizing Bush to use force:

    S. J. Res 45 Auhorizing Use of Armed Forces Against Iraq

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    Re: North Korea conducts nuclear test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes it does logically follow.
    No, it does not -- in fact, its not even close.

    Invasion was one option in Iraq. Invasion is one option in NK.
    That Invasion was chosen as the option for Iraq in no way necessitates that invasion must also be chosen in NK.

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