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75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

F107HyperSabr said:
The "war" that the "Democrats" were opposed to was the Iraq war I am not aware of any Democrat that was in opposition to the Afghanistan war against the terrorists.
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You mean the same people who also said Saddam had WMDs and this was before Bush was even in office?


I was just wondering what these people were thinking about when they answered the questions!!
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The links I provided it shows support of the Afghanistan war around 50% and around 34% percent for the Iraq, if you look link the OP provide it shows the democrat favorable opinion of the troops 68%. So obviously they were not thinking the war in Iraq sucks or the war in Afghanistan sucks when they were asked if they had a favorable opinion about the military..
 
jamesrage said:
Judging by that comments you made You must be the opposite. Which is a anti-American/globalist and anti-2nd amendment nut who mocks patriotism. While believing in the man made global warming fairy tale(which most of you man made global warming fairy tale believers now call climate change so no matter how the whether changes you can try to claim to be right) you mock religious people for believing in things you think do not exist. Damn bible thumpers how dare they believe in such nonsense, Oh look if we don't recycle, increase taxes and buy carbon credits the world is going to get hotter and the polar ice caps will melt and the world will be flooded. Also you support little Timmy going to school as a girl just because some ****ed up in the head parents and quacks says little Timmy is really a girl even though he was born a boy and has male chromosomes ,But if Little Jimmy says he is a duck or a cat you think he is either pretending or he may need serious psychological help. And the most amusing thing about you is that you are black man you thinks its okay for people who choose to have anal sex comparing themselves to people who had to sit on the back of the bus,have separate drinking fountains, have separate schools, where burned on a cross by terrorist in sheets and enslaved and for some reason you probably think republicans are racist while the democrats have a long history of being the party of the KKK( I do not think a RNC convention was ever called a Klan Bake).
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And yet somehow I'm willing to bet both my houses, that my taxes do more to support the troops then you do by standing around playing Rhythmic Gymnast all day with an American flag at a bus stop you got a ride to from one of your fellow gunphile friends. It's one of those things where I seriously could care less what somebody, who believes that people walked on water, the world was created in 6 days, thinks. I mean you're basically what will probably be wrong with society up until 2050 or so, when hopefully most if not everyone who was born in the early half of the last century will be dead. You're the last excrement of the generation of Americans who believed that people who weren't carbon copies of themselves needed to be lynched or prosecuted. I mean cry and moan all you want about chromosomes and alleles like you, with your high school level education, actually understand them anymore then people who work with them everyday until you turn blue. But then what? What do you have left? I mean - right? A long diatribe about how the Democrats use to be racists. Oh wow. Enlightening. What's sad about you is that you don't understand the shifting of voting groups enough to know that the Dixiecrats as they were called are now overwhelmingly Republican. It's just one of those things I don't truly expect somebody who's got a background in fixing elevators and uses a flaming skull as their avatar to fully comprehend without the help of two Oxford level scholars. You're the DP e-version of Joe, The Plumber. You're our Joe, The Plumber. A guy who's never picked up a book with more words then an instruction booklet on building an IKEA table coming to DP and telling us all why he and his, low level education, are right. And we're all wrong. But hey look - if it makes you feel better. How about this : Whenever your opinion counts as anything more then the rantings of some low caste redneck that even the other rednecks reject. Maybe then I'll ask you to fix this really annoying creak in one of my cupboards. Then after that we can sit down and talk about your opinions and how silly they are. Okay!?

They are scum.
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And you're a redneck. Which makes you about the same as them just on the opposite side of the map.
 
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jamesrage said:
Seems hypocritical to live in a nation whose current existence is maintained by the military when you do not favor the military.
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Our existence is always maintained by the military - past, present, and future.
 
ChickenHawks piss me off

I cannot say that it was unique to the species CheckenHawk but I recall many people would say every time a Veterans group brought up the idea that we need omore funding for VA hospitals, or expanded GI Bill, or reserach into Gulf War Syndrome some ChickenHawks piss ant would say "they volunteered they knew what the benefits were so we don't need to spend anymore money on them".

I know that I have heard RNC commandos say "they volunteered" when Vet groups and others brought up the fact that our Guard and Reserves and even regulars were serving too many tours of duty with too little break in between !!

The same people who claimed that they supported the troops at 100 % were the first to say "they volunteered" when someone asked about just loking to see if the programs for VETS and active troops were good enough.

What I heard between the lines is "they volunteered" so what ever we give is "good enough".
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I really fear that doing away with the draft has removed too many people from serving, knowing soneone who served, and therefore not caring about those who served !!!
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I'd actually be inclined to believe that support for the military has only increased since it became an all-volunteer force.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Maybe we need to bring back the draft without any Cheneyist Deferments so that more people from more walks of life will share in the service to the country that provides them wth so much.
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We don't need the draft, and you don't need to be in the military to serve your country. Having a job and paying taxes is serving your country.
 
75% is a pretty good number, considering the vast spectrum of different beliefs, political and religious, in this country.

When it comes to a % of the military who I believe do their jobs well, I strongly believe the vast majority of the military do their jobs better than most civilian jobs, with more focus and determination. I believe most see the big picture and take their part in it with respective seriousness.

Most distrust of the military probably comes from the way those with the power (elected and appointed) to approve, deploy or recall a mission abuse their power.
 
Re: ChickenHawks piss me off

F107HyperSabr said:
I cannot say that it was unique to the species CheckenHawk but I recall many people would say every time a Veterans group brought up the idea that we need omore funding for VA hospitals, or expanded GI Bill, or reserach into Gulf War Syndrome some ChickenHawks piss ant would say "they volunteered they knew what the benefits were so we don't need to spend anymore money on them".

I know that I have heard RNC commandos say "they volunteered" when Vet groups and others brought up the fact that our Guard and Reserves and even regulars were serving too many tours of duty with too little break in between !!

The same people who claimed that they supported the troops at 100 % were the first to say "they volunteered" when someone asked about just loking to see if the programs for VETS and active troops were good enough.

What I heard between the lines is "they volunteered" so what ever we give is "good enough".
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A lot of people in office are hypocrites. However those in office do not get nailed for their hypocrisy.They tell us we do not have money to secure the border or we do not have money for this and that and turn around and give it away to other countries and bail out companies like somehow that money grows on trees. Those serving in the military should get more benefits,more pay and better equipment.
 
jamesrage said:
You mean the same people who also said Saddam had WMDs and this was before Bush was even in office?

The links I provided it shows support of the Afghanistan war around 50% and around 34% percent for the Iraq, if you look link the OP provide it shows the democrat favorable opinion of the troops 68%. So obviously they were not thinking the war in Iraq sucks or the war in Afghanistan sucks when they were asked if they had a favorable opinion about the military..
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Ths thread is not about the stupidity of Bush taking us into a stupid war but if you want to stat one I will be glad to debate that.

Let's also get the true question up it's really not "favorable opinion of the troops " but it's more of a question about the military of which yes a major portion of that equation is the troops but there is the military establishment.


Yes I also did start down that other path and was talking about the troops exclusively but that is not exactly what the survey asked !!!
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
We don't need the draft, and you don't need to be in the military to serve your country. Having a job and paying taxes is serving your country.
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I see, so OUTSOURCING "your" service to the other guy is ok !!! Maybe we can go back to the way it was during the Civil War when one could pay someone to "serve" he says sarcastically!!! Hey why not outsource the military to Indian I know that the GHURKAS fight well and the Brits know that since they have used the GHURKAS snce what the early 19th century!!! he says sarcastically !!!!


It's free market approach !! GHURKAS and Shmerkas they are comodities so why not set up a ticker on WALL STREET and we can buy, trade, and sell the "fighting" man stock GI JOE !! What geat fun that would be !!!! Just think false rumors of peace breaking out and the market does into a nose dive.
War breaks out on 6 contitnents and the GI JOE stock does through the stratosphere!!!
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
I see, so OUTSOURCING "your" service o the other guy is ok !!! Maybe we can go back to the way it was during the Civil War when one could pay someone to "serve" he says sarcastically!!! Hey why not outsource the military to Indian I know that the GHURKAS fight well and the Brits know that since they have used the GHURKAS snce what the early 19th century!!! he says sarcastically !!!!
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Outsourcing is pretty great.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I see, so OUTSOURCING "your" service o the other guy is ok !!! Maybe we can go back to the way it was during the Civil War when one could pay someone to "serve" he says sarcastically!!! Hey why not outsource the military to Indian I know that the GHURKAS fight well and the Brits know that since they have used the GHURKAS snce what the early 19th century!!! he says sarcastically !!!!
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We don't have a shortage of volunteers, and being a baker at Safeway is serving your country.
 
It's getting late I need to be at cemetary

in formal VET's uniform and in rotation year I read the names of those VETs who have gone before us and it's an Eastern European ethnic group cemetary and our names start at 8 -9 letters and go to 12 -14 so I need some sleep or I will be triping over the Appanowchimskiy's and the Zembreshkovich's at 9:30 am tomorrow after I drive an ou plus to get there

later F107HyperSabrerowich signing off !!!!!
 
jamesrage said:
They just like those scum in Israel and other countries who hide behind their religion or race to weasel out of military service.
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Even though I'm a harsh critic of Israeli policy, you just pointed out how little knowledge you actually have on this subject and looks like you were looking for somewhere to spill your inaccuracies.
 
Redress said:
Well, this thread took an ugly turn.
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Moderator's Warning:
Not anymore. The personal attacks cease, now, especially those from Hatuey and jamesrage. Again, and someone is getting thread banned and infracted.
 
Damn...almost sorry I posted this thread.
 
I dont do sentimentality apart from on these days.

I am a Brit/Jew of 58yrs.

I am here because of the sacrifice of brave men and women from a number of nations including the US.

So on your memorial day I would like to say thank you.
 
Moon said:
Damn...almost sorry I posted this thread.
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Don't be. It's a good, relevant thread. It's just that some of our resident "posters" ruin things like that. Not now that I'm subscribed. ;)
 
P/N said:
I would expect the number to be much higher. It should be in the 95-98% range as 75 is far too low. Personally, I'd like to meet some of that 11% and ask them face-to-face what the **** is wrong with them? It's one thing to oppose the administration's policy on a certain issue, but not the military itself. This is just ludicrous and one more thing that is wrong with too many people in this country - they haven't a clue or respect for our heritage, the Constitution or common sense, let alone those that serve our country, putting their lives on the line each and every day.
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If you had any respect for our Constitution then you would not have any real problem with that 11%. You either support our Constitution or you do not and you sound as if you do not since you seem to have a problem with freedom of thought and speech.

That 11% have just as much a right to feel the way they do as you have every right to wanna be some chest pounding pro military buffon. Do you really think that if you are not pro-military that you have no respect for our heritage?

Since when did it become some loopy idea in this country that if you do not agree with the military in general that you lack common sense and have no respect for our country or our heritage? This country is all about Freedom and maybe you should remind yourself of that. :roll:
 
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Kali said:
If you had any respect for our Constitution then you would not have any real problem with that 11%. You either support our Constitution or you do not and you sound as if you do not since you seem to have a problem with freedom of thought and speech.

That 11% have just as much a right to feel the way they do as you have every right to wanna be some chest pounding pro military buffon. Do you really think that if you are not pro-military that you have no respect for our heritage?

Since when did it become some loopy idea in this country that if you do not agree with the military in general that you lack common sense and have no respect for our country or our heritage? This country is all about Freedom and maybe you should remind yourself of that. :roll:
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This thread is destined to fall deeply into disinterest, as a holiday special, yet it realy is all we are about.

"This country is all about freedom"... The captain is ready, with his heavy hand, to destroy a great debate, in DEBATE politics. I tip my hat to HATuey, and Jamesrage ( especialy Jr) for practicing freedom on this greatest of all weekends. My hope is that neither be either Ostracized nor censored for exercising their freedom of speach.

A thread or two back, I was explaining to some special interest, That when I entered the military, I was willing to die for this country, to included the rights of the hippies that were screaming for peace ( now a favorite concept of mine). Then some a...hole, in the USSC, said its OK to burn the flag (it is not...).

4 months into the Navy (1969), I was walking past the the Chiefs lounge at lunch hour, and I heard what sounded like another battle field comeing from the speakers on their TV. They (our military), were shooting unarmed students at Kent university. After lunch, a Chief and I got into a shouting match, about 2 inches from eachothers noses. WE both apparently agreed on the concept of freedom that you and I have, because we shut the hell up and started afternoon classes.

75% isn`t a bad number, at all, when you take into concideration the urgency of getting freedom right, and keeping it, in a country where freedom of speach and expression are so threatened all of the time. Debates can get pretty heated....

Equal rights? I agree to such a concept for the 11%ers rights to disagree...

A very special heart felt nod to our U.S. Militaries. :2wave:



DING...DING ! Round 2 ( Hat vs Jr)
 
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