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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Where was all this patriotism when our troops came home from Nam and got spit on? No parades for them!
    You're really not helping liberals on this one.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I have been thinking about this lately myself. Do you think the hardship Military personnel face when transitioning to civilian life has to do any with the education and skills received while in the Military?

    I have friends recently out of the Military who find themselves lacking the education and work experience to get a job other then one that of a trade or blue collar, which generall doesn't require work experience or college education. One friend is trying to get into corporate marketing at 26 and basically has to go to college and start from the ground up with all the 20 years olds.

    Of course this isn't all cases. I have many Military friends also that are thriving professionally in civilian life. Through many of them are in general management and/or sales jobs.
    There are(or at least where when I was in) pretty good opportunities to get an education and document skills. The problem with this is in explaining to some 20 year old that he should use his free time to do this. During Navy deployments, you can take actual college courses on ship. Not many, but there a few basic classes. When not deployed, the government will basically pay for any classes you choose to attend. The issue is getting people to do it.

    Now, this has little to do with the homeless problem. The homeless problem, as I understand it, results much more from the problems of making the emotional adjustment to civilian life. This adjustment is shockingly large and difficult. I think the first thing that needs to be done is more work preparing people in their last year of service for the adjustments and changes in life. Unfortunately, that is much easier said than done.

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Even though I'm a harsh critic of Israeli policy, you just pointed out how little knowledge you actually have on this subject and looks like you were looking for somewhere to spill your inaccuracies.
    So Orthadox jews and Israeli Arabs do not hide behind their race and religion to weasel out of military service?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So Orthadox jews and Israeli Arabs do not hide behind their race and religion to weasel out of military service?
    Yeah!!!! The government always knows best! **** people for not being willing to die for a cause that is not their own and doesn't make their lives better!
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Yeah!!!! The government always knows best! **** people for not being willing to die for a cause that is not their own and doesn't make their lives better!
    I could be wrong but isn't Israel terrorist target capital of the world and surrounded by nations that want to see them wipe off the map and most of the Israelis jews are either immigrants or children or grand children of immigrants and some of whom carry dual citizenship with other countries. SO how on earth can they hide behind their religion or race to weasel out of military service?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could be wrong but isn't Israel terrorist target capital of the world and surrounded by nations that want to see them wipe off the map and most of the Israelis jews are either immigrants or children or grand children of immigrants and some of whom carry dual citizenship with other countries. SO how on earth can they hide behind their religion or race to weasel out of military service?
    They are fundamentally against violence?

    They think that violence breeds more violence?

    They feel that any type of killing is an affront to God and will lead them into an eternity of hell?

    They disagree with the tactics used by their government?

    They have free will?

    They have reasons of their own that I have not thought of off th etop of my head?
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They are fundamentally against violence?

    They think that violence breeds more violence?
    Seeing how they live in terrorist target capital of the world and surrounded by hostile nations there are in a violence magnet, hey should be obligated to be drafted just like everyone else there.

    They feel that any type of killing is an affront to God and will lead them into an eternity of hell?
    That is the biggest load of bull**** they use. Have you read any of the books of the bible? Does Joshua ring a bell?


    They disagree with the tactics used by their government?
    They have free will?
    Since many of them have dual citizenship then they should exercise that free will and quit mooching off the military service of their fellow country men and move to somewhere else.


    They have reasons of their own that I have not thought of off th etop of my head?
    They are moochers who hide behind religion and race to weasel out of military service while relying on everyone else's military service to defend them in a nation that is constantly under threat of hostile countries and terrorist attacks.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how they live in terrorist target capital of the world and surrounded by hostile nations there are in a violence magnet, hey should be obligated to be drafted just like everyone else there.
    Perhaps they think the policies of Israel exacerbate the situation?



    That is the biggest load of bull**** they use. Have you read any of the books of the bible? Does Joshua ring a bell?
    Perhaps their interpretation is different from yours.

    They disagree with the tactics used by their government?
    Don't you disagree with tactics taken by your government? Doesn't everyone? Don't tell me you think the government is always right. There are plenty of posts of yours around here that state the exact opposite.




    Since many of them have dual citizenship then they should exercise that free will and quit mooching off the military service of their fellow country men and move to somewhere else.
    Perhaps they want to "improve" their chosen nation by turning it's hand from violence?


    They are moochers who hide behind religion and race to weasel out of military service while relying on everyone else's military service to defend them in a nation that is constantly under threat of hostile countries and terrorist attacks.
    That's an interesting hypothesis. How do you define "mooching"?
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Perhaps they think the policies of Israel exacerbate the situation?
    Its seems that out of all the failed peace processes it was because the Palestinians broke their end of the deal.




    Perhaps their interpretation is different from yours.
    It is dishonest to claim the Lord is against violence and defending your nation considering the wars and various capital punishments in the old testament. If soldiers today did what was done in the wars in the old testament they would be tried for war crimes.

    Don't you disagree with tactics taken by your government? Doesn't everyone? Don't tell me you think the government is always right. There are plenty of posts of yours around here that state the exact opposite.
    Disagreeing is one thing, mooching off the fact that the majority of your fellow countrymen have answered the call the duty while you hide behind race or religion to weasel out of military service is a completely different thing.




    Perhaps they want to "improve" their chosen nation by turning it's hand from violence?
    Here I know lets hold our breath and hope the Iranians, Palestinians,Lebanese and everyone decided to crack down on terrorist and allow Israel the same right to exist as they do.


    That's an interesting hypothesis. How do you define "mooching"?
    According to urban dictionary "mooching" is defined as leeching and or taking advantage of another person. So those weaseling our of military service by hiding behind race or religion are moochers mooching off the service of their fellow countrymen and women.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its seems that out of all the failed peace processes it was because the Palestinians broke their end of the deal.
    What it seems like to you is irrelevant. What matters in regards to these people's opinions is what it seems like to them. Their views are what count when discussing their will to "serve", not yours.


    It is dishonest to claim the lord is against violence and defending your nation considering the wars and capital punishment in the old testament.
    There is that one commandment, which, depending upon translations, states "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not murder". If one believes the "Thou shalt not kill" version, then all the other stuff found in the bible is superseded by the commandment, no?


    Disagreeing is one thing,mooching off the fact that the majority of your fellow countrymen have answered the call the duty while you hide behind race or religion to weasel out of military service is a completely different thing.
    I wish more Germans in WWII had "weaseled" out of their "duties" for moral reasons.

    If you believe something is morally wrong, you don't do it. Simple as that.


    Here I know lets hold our breath and hope the Iranians, Palestinians,Lebanese and everyone decided to crack down on terrorist and allow Israel the same right to exist as they do.
    You say that as though violence has been working at making them acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

    Also, non-violence =/= inaction. To suggest that it is would be a false dichotomy.


    According to urban dictionary "mooching" is defined as leeching and or taking advantage of another person. So those weaseling our of military service by hiding behind race or religion are moochers mooching off the service of their fellow countrymen and women.
    What are they leeching?

    How are they "taking advantage" of anyone?

    I know you "say" they are mooching, but I don't see it. Perhaps you can explain the position so that it actually makes sense to me by stating what exactly they are taking from the other people.

    If anything, the fact that their taxes help pay for the military would imply that as non-members, they are being leeched upon. The fact that they disagree would mean that they are being taken advantage of instead of the other way around.

    I mean it's simple calculation. Right now all I see are losses for these people by way of taxation for the military. What are their "gains" that make them "leeches"?
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