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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

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    That is possible but just because we have a draft it does not mean that we need to place those who are not up to the job in a job. We also would need to adjust the time served because when we had a draft back during the Vietnam days I beleive that the time draftees served was 2 years and I am not inclined to train a trrooper someone for almost a year and they only serve one year. The jump in technology alone renders the 2 year active duty draftee serve time obsolete.

    I didn't see the draftee problem directly when I went in because we in the Air Force were an all volunteer service.

    I understand the chalenges of a draft but I still beleive taht we can work out the active duty served time for draftees if we try.

    I feel that there is a long term benefit in inviting more people to serve in the military!!
    For combat arms you don't need a year to train someone, basic and advanced individual training can be done in four to six months. The rest is done at the unit level.

    Here is the problem with conscripted service. Those who are forced to serve against their will will compromise the effectiveness of our military. In the service, as I'm sure you realize, we depend upon the entirety of those serving, down to the man and woman, to fulfill their job duties to the utmost of their ability. It's even more important now in our downsized, technology heavy military. We don't just fill grunt platoons anymore. We are talking joint operations/combined arms/land, air, sea, space battle doctrines. We need motivated, dedicated professionals. Not people who are mandated to show up whether they want to be there or not. Those folks are quite likely to perform well below their potential simply because their mentality will be adversely affected by their forced servitude.

    I very much appreciate your position on this, and I've thought over the idea of the draft and conscription quite a bit. I've studied it quite a bit and simply can't find any redeeming factors in it. At least in what has been presented.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    I did not say I am anti-military ... My point was that 11% have a right to feel the way they do without being hated or attacked. Also my grandfather was in the service and so was my stepfather so do not try to paint me as some hater of our military
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

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    I did not say I am anti-military ... My point was that 11% have a right to feel the way they do without being hated or attacked. Also my grandfather was in the service and so was my stepfather so do not try to paint me as some hater of our military
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

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    Nobody has a right to say anything without being criticized for it.
    That pretty much sums it up. Thread over.

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    75% may have a favorable opinion of the US military, but some of them are clearly hypocrites, who only put up yellow ribbons, and do little else. Right now, there are more than 150,000 vets living in the streets, and IMHO, that is a crime. Where is the support for them? Oh, that's right. Once they are used up, they are discarded like yesterday's garbage. This started under Clinton, continued under Bush, and Obama does not seem to be acting any differently. It is easy to say "I support the troops", when talk and not actions guides one's ideology. So how about ALL of this 75% raise a little hell with the government, until the government finally decides to do the right thing and REALLY support the troops? Supporting the troops is more than just a slogan to be bandied about by hypocritical politicians who don't really give a damn about the sacrifice our soldiers make for this nation. After all, if they DID give a damn, they really WOULD support the troops, along with our vets.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    It's actually pretty simple Dan. Call your local VA, ask about charity organizations that help vets. Call said organization to help. I am proud to do charity work with vets, and even though I cannot afford to contribute money, I still do some good.

    By the way, where was all this patriotism in the 80's and 90's when I was in the service, and knew far too many service families that had to swallow their pride and get food stamps just to be able to afford to feed their families. None of this started under Clinton, it extends back at least to President Bush the elder, and probably Reagan, and maybe before that. If it was not for people like Senator John Glenn really fighting for soldiers, it would have been worse.

    After 9/11 we started seeing an awefull lot of flags, seeing buttons and lapel pins, lots of good stuff stated about our troops. Well, I hate to tell those of you who are that type of patriot, but you ain't no patriot at all. A flag from your car antenna that probably came from China does not make you a patriot, it makes you a consumer. A "God bless out troops" pin does not make you a patriot. If you care about our troops, do something.

    Sorry Dan, but you brought up a huge pet peeve of mine.

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    75% may have a favorable opinion of the US military, but some of them are clearly hypocrites, who only put up yellow ribbons, and do little else. Right now, there are more than 150,000 vets living in the streets, and IMHO, that is a crime. Where is the support for them? Oh, that's right. Once they are used up, they are discarded like yesterday's garbage. This started under Clinton, continued under Bush, and Obama does not seem to be acting any differently. It is easy to say "I support the troops", when talk and not actions guides one's ideology. So how about ALL of this 75% raise a little hell with the government, until the government finally decides to do the right thing and REALLY support the troops? Supporting the troops is more than just a slogan to be bandied about by hypocritical politicians who don't really give a damn about the sacrifice our soldiers make for this nation. After all, if they DID give a damn, they really WOULD support the troops, along with our vets.
    I have been thinking about this lately myself. Do you think the hardship Military personnel face when transitioning to civilian life has to do any with the education and skills received while in the Military?

    I have friends recently out of the Military who find themselves lacking the education and work experience to get a job other then one that of a trade or blue collar, which generall doesn't require work experience or college education. One friend is trying to get into corporate marketing at 26 and basically has to go to college and start from the ground up with all the 20 years olds.

    Of course this isn't all cases. I have many Military friends also that are thriving professionally in civilian life. Through many of them are in general management and/or sales jobs.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Where was all this patriotism when our troops came home from Nam and got spit on? No parades for them!
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

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