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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    11% can be conscientious objectors, believers in nonviolence, and pacifism. I find nothing wrong with people staying true to there morals, despite how "disturbing" and loony you believe these people may be.
    But there is no excuse for this...these people should learn to have more respect for others..
    their morals...I think they are short on them...and short on intelligence.
    If they wish to think poorly of others, then the others should be the powers that are; the executives, the politicians, the President..

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    How on earth could 11% of people fail to understand the distinction that Redress pointed out?




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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I really fear that doing away with the draft has removed too many people from serving, knowing soneone who served, and therefore not caring about those who served !!!
    There was a very valid point to doing away with the draft and going to an all volunteer force. The quality and moral of the troops in the AFV is head and shoulders above anything that mandatory conscription would produce. You would see the quality of our military drop noticeably with a draft.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Damn...almost sorry I posted this thread.
    Don't be, you did nothing wrong here.

    Here are my thoughts. The poll questions are simply not that good, almost to the point of being to broad. I would bet that a more focused poll that actually delved into some questions that identified how opinions are formed and were more targeted that figure would climb.

    As has been so intelligently pointed out here, there are many facets that form one's opinion about the "military" and unless you dig into those I don't think you are going to get a clear understanding of what people actually think about the organization itself, the politics that go into using the military, or the individual men and women who make it up.

    I think the number is actually quite a bit higher.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Don't be, you did nothing wrong here.

    Here are my thoughts. The poll questions are simply not that good, almost to the point of being to broad. I would bet that a more focused poll that actually delved into some questions that identified how opinions are formed and were more targeted that figure would climb.

    As has been so intelligently pointed out here, there are many facets that form one's opinion about the "military" and unless you dig into those I don't think you are going to get a clear understanding of what people actually think about the organization itself, the politics that go into using the military, or the individual men and women who make it up.

    I think the number is actually quite a bit higher.
    Oh, I don't think I did anything wrong.

    I don't think the poll was intended to be scientific or to make any kind of point. I think it's main purpose was to show the military, and the families of veterans, that the people of the United States support them. What better day to do that than on Memorial Day?
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I don't think the poll was intended to be scientific or to make any kind of point. I think it's main purpose was to show the military, and the families of veterans, that the people of the United States support them. What better day to do that than on Memorial Day?
    I understand this, but I think maybe it left the door open to skewed results. I'm being parochial here when I say this, but I believe that number is actually higher than 75%. I would just like to have seen it be a little clearer.

    And I agree, today is the day to highlight honoring our troops...something we should do everyday regardless.
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There was a very valid point to doing away with the draft and going to an all volunteer force. The quality and moral of the troops in the AFV is head and shoulders above anything that mandatory conscription would produce. You would see the quality of our military drop noticeably with a draft.
    That is possible but just because we have a draft it does not mean that we need to place those who are not up to the job in a job. We also would need to adjust the time served because when we had a draft back during the Vietnam days I beleive that the time draftees served was 2 years and I am not inclined to train a trrooper someone for almost a year and they only serve one year. The jump in technology alone renders the 2 year active duty draftee serve time obsolete.

    I didn't see the draftee problem directly when I went in because we in the Air Force were an all volunteer service.

    I understand the chalenges of a draft but I still beleive taht we can work out the active duty served time for draftees if we try.

    I feel that there is a long term benefit in inviting more people to serve in the military!!
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Then it sounds to me like you are looking to be offended, which is pretty sad.
    No I am not looking to be offended but I am looking out for people who are looking to offend those who serve or have served. THAT'S ALL !!
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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    While I feel that as American's everyone has a right to their opinion, I am fully behind our military and find there is nothing more inspiring and honorable than those who risk it all in the preservation of this nation.

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    Re: 75% Have Favorable Opinion of U.S. Military This Memorial Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Yes, that's obviously what I meant... just that, exactly.

    You take reading between the lines to a hilarious extreme.
    Could be that I am new here and do not have a good read on all the usual characters yet so I was asking a question. Maybe I was a bit critical with your wording !!
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