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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    This does nothing to address the real problem . . .
    Let me suggest you go back and read the whole of my post. It's not long, it should be pretty simple. I even used small words. Here, let me quote myself so you cannot miss the important part I want you to see:

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    Not going to comment on the rest, as I do not know, but on this point
    So, I talk about one small part of a post, specifically stating that I don't know enough to comment on the rest, and what do you do but complain that I do not comment on another part, that I already said I don't know enough about. And the best part of all is you did not actually comment on what I said that you felt the need to quote.

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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well that is up to the individual and her unit not me to decide. It should be done on a case by case basis. If she can handle it and not 'jeopardize the mission' then go ahead.
    Acceptance on a case by case basis would be more appalling to women activists than a general denial I would think.

    It isn't a matter of the woman having control over their jeopardizing of the mission, it is their very presence that has been proven to cause that.
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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me suggest you go back and read the whole of my post. It's not long, it should be pretty simple. I even used small words. Here, let me quote myself so you cannot miss the important part I want you to see:



    So, I talk about one small part of a post, specifically stating that I don't know enough to comment on the rest, and what do you do but complain that I do not comment on another part, that I already said I don't know enough about. And the best part of all is you did not actually comment on what I said that you felt the need to quote.

    I had a post typed out to address this, it simply stated "He mentioned he was only commenting on the one issue" I refrained from posting it, figuring you could stand up for yourself.
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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So, I talk about one small part of a post, specifically stating that I don't know enough to comment on the rest,
    And I explained why your seemingly sensible solution does not work in the applicable context. If you don't care about the big picture, thats fine, but then you shouldn't object when I merely explain why your suggestion does not work in the big picture. Its a discussion of the big picture, after all. My post was there for all to read, not just you.

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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Acceptance on a case by case basis would be more appalling to women activists than a general denial I would think.

    It isn't a matter of the woman having control over their jeopardizing of the mission, it is their very presence that has been proven to cause that.
    Would it?
    I'd find it acceptable.
    I doubt they choose males to be soldiers purely because they have penises. They go through some form of training/selection program i'm sure. Why any different for women?

    Then it is not her that is the problem but her unit. If she can handle herself, why would she jeopardize a mission?


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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If she can handle herself, why would she jepoardize a mission?
    already addressed . . .

    In fact, women have been barred from combat in Israel since 1950, when a review of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War showed how harmful their presence could be. The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit. The study further revealed that unit morale was damaged when men saw women killed and maimed on the battlefield," Luddy said.

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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    ? ? ? ? What about sex differential in tolerance to high-g ? ? ? ?

    I'm not going to be able to believe that assertion without some evidence.
    Females tend to have better hand eye coordination on average than males. Makes them better pilots etc.
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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    I kinda want to add to this that while I have no experience in combat myself, I have spent a very large amount of time working the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, which is an incredibly high stress environment with serious physical stress(the same 80 pounds of gear and 100 degree heat, but add in jet exhaust and the fumes from it), and women were perfectly capable of handling the environment, and in fact excelled. In fact, women in general seem to handle the stress better than men.

    This still does not address your whole point on women in combat, but I thought it was worth adding.

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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit.
    Thanks for that.
    So the men are the problem basically ...


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    Re: U.K. Considers Lifting Combat Ban for Female Troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    already addressed . . .
    Except a member of the IDF claims this is not accurate.

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