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First on The CNN Ticker: Ridge disagrees with Cheney

bhkad said:
In this world of 30 second sound bytes each pithy phrase needs to have 9/11 in it to make sense and have the right impact in a sound byte.

Media 101.
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aka fear mongering.
 
Redress said:
Just to be clear, I still cannot watch the 9/11 footage. If they start showing part of it in a news story, I have to turn the channel. I found what happened to be incredibly emotionally devastating. There is zero chance I will ever forget the day.

I play MMO's. At the time of 9/11, I played an online game called Everquest. After I had to run from the coverage of the disaster, being totally unprepared for the sight of people jumping to their death to avoid the heat of the building and things of that nature, I logged into Everquest. There where people online in the game, who knew people who worked in the WTC, who knew people in New York, or who lived in New York, all doing largely what I was doing, getting away from the pain. I remember some of the things they where saying, and marveled at the pain and torment these people where feeling.

9/11 affected me deeply, and forever. I think that is true for almost every one, liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. I don't think we are in any danger of forgetting 9/11.
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Some people seem to be less affected than others and some 20-somethings were too young to really understand the tragedy of nine years ago. And some just need reminding.
 
bhkad said:
Some people seem to be less affected than others and some 20-somethings were too young to really understand the tragedy of nine years ago. And some just need reminding.
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Not 24 times. Fear mongering, plain and simple.
 
TheNextEra said:
Not 24 times. Fear mongering, plain and simple.
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We disagree. And half the country (without regard to Party affiliation) agrees with each point of view.
 
bhkad said:
We disagree. And half the country (without regard to Party affiliation) agrees with each point of view.
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So when Obama mentions the economy many times that is fear mongering, but when Cheney, Bush, etc mention 9/11 24+ times in their speeches, that is just a friendly reminder?
 
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missypea said:
I gotta tell you the most of the time I read or see something on this it literally makes me lol.

The new and ethical voice of the republican party.....Newt :rofl



.......the rest of the time I just think the GOP is never gonna get it together
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Yes Newt and Dick make a great combo.

When I see Newt on TV the first thing that comes to mind even without hearing what he is saying is desperate liar and fearmonger who does not have one ioda of care for this nation as a WHOLE. He just concerned with his own parties self-serving interests. Kinda like lord Cheney.
Newt and lord Dick now really are the only ones who are able to come out and shoot off their mouths when their party has lost it's relevancy. As far as Newt goes they need somebody who was once speaker of the house, as big name, yet he was removed from that position because of ethics violations. So he really has no political future in office yet his name is big enough that he can come out give his delusionary interviews as does lord Dick. With no fear of future political repercusions.

That's why they can both come out and openly claim that Obama policies will lead to future attacks on the country. What do they have to lose? Their jobs?

They certainly will not talk about their failures and will openly hope for attacks on our country...sad and pathetic.

They have zero intentions of supporting anything Obama does no matter what.

I just hope that President Obama will be able to protect our country from terrorist attacks from Newt and Dick.
 
bhkad said:
Some people seem to be less affected than others and some 20-somethings were too young to really understand the tragedy of nine years ago. And some just need reminding.
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The 20somethings, maybe. The rest of us, I am not so sure.
 
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goldendog said:
Yes Newt and Dick make a great combo.
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Don't forget Steele. Every single day lately, he has opened his mouth and said something incredibly stupid. Today it was something about President Obama getting elected because he was black.
 
TheNextEra said:
So when Obama mentions the economy many times that is fear mongering, but when Cheney, Bush, etc mention 9/11 24+ times in their speeches, that is just a friendly reminder?
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When does Obama mention the economy? :happy:
 
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goldendog said:
Yes Newt and Dick make a great combo.

When I see Newt on TV the first thing that comes to mind even without hearing what he is saying is desperate liar and fearmonger who does not have one ioda of care for this nation as a WHOLE. He just concerned with his own parties self-serving interests. Kinda like lord Cheney.
Newt and lord Dick now really are the only ones who are able to come out and shoot off their mouths when their party has lost it's relevancy. As far as Newt goes they need somebody who was once speaker of the house, as big name, yet he was removed from that position because of ethics violations. So he really has no political future in office yet his name is big enough that he can come out give his delusionary interviews as does lord Dick. With no fear of future political repercusions.

That's why they can both come out and openly claim that Obama policies will lead to future attacks on the country. What do they have to lose? Their jobs?

They certainly will not talk about their failures and will openly hope for attacks on our country...sad and pathetic.

They have zero intentions of supporting anything Obama does no matter what.

I just hope that President Obama will be able to protect our country from terrorist attacks from Newt and Dick.
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Dick & Newt in 2012. ;)
 
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Redress said:
Don't forget Steele. Every single day lately, he has opened his mouth and said something incredibly stupid. Today it was something about President Obama getting elected because he was black.
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Yes Steele is a newcomer and he dares not go against the grain of the neocon good ol boy system. That would alienate him from a portion(athough shrinking)of the party that he needs in the future.
At this point he as to walk on eggshell as to not offend them.

I think that Steele, in order to have any future relevancy what so ever has to throw Cheney, Newt and Rush under the Bus and rightfully so.
 
bhkad said:
When does Obama mention the economy? :happy:
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Usually right before the line "that I inherited".

Thought you might enjoy that one.
 
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goldendog said:
Yes Steele is a newcomer and he dares not go against the grain of the neocon good ol boy system. That would alienate him from a portion(athough shrinking)of the party that he needs in the future.
At this point he as to walk on eggshell as to not offend them.

I think that Steele, in order to have any future relevancy what so ever has to throw Cheney, Newt and Rush under the Bus and rightfully so.
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Won't happen. The leadership of the republican party seems determined to destroy it, to the cost of the membership.
 
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Redress said:
Won't happen. The leadership of the republican party seems determined to destroy it, to the cost of the membership.
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I agree it won't happen.
 
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Truth Detector said:
The historic facts do not support your argument. If anything economists suggest that the spending exacerbated and lengthened the depression; it was WWII that got us out of it. And it took decades to pay the deficits created by the war down.

The notion that FDR's work projects made us the richest nation in the world is not supported by any credible historic record.

But that stated, what does what happened in FDRs time have to do with now? Last time I looked, we were in a recession, not a World War. Are you desperately trying to defend this irresponsible spending spree by suggesting it is like WWII?
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No, I am suggesting that Obama inherited an economy like the one FDR did from an incompotent Republican.
 
Redress said:
It is style that makes him fear mongering. I think the count was 24 times Cheney invoked 9/11. That is fear mongering, using fear to make your point.
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No it's not. Not when the topic is "What was the reason for the employment of enhanced interrogation techiques on detained enemy non-combatants after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."

In fact, it's damn hard to discuss that topic without mentioning 9/11, I'd say.
 
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Redress said:
Won't happen. The leadership of the republican party seems determined to destroy it, to the cost of the membership.
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It seems, for the most part, those who are talking about the downfall of the GOP are those who'd benefit from it's downfall or demise.

Republicans are simply biding their time til 2010 and then 2012.

Watch.

Reports of it's demise are greatly exaggerated.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No it's not. Not when the topic is "What was the reason for the employment of enhanced interrogation techiques on detained enemy non-combatants after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."

In fact, it's damn hard to discuss that topic without mentioning 9/11, I'd say.
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There is a difference between mentioning it once or twice as part of the thesis, and mentioning it 24 times.
 
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bhkad said:
It seems, for the most part, those who are talking about the downfall of the GOP are those who'd benefit from it's downfall or demise.

Republicans are simply biding their time til 2010 and then 2012.

Watch.

Reports of it's demise are greatly exaggerated.
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What will the GOP run on? "Hey remember Bush, that was great right!? Vote for us!"
 
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tlmorg02 said:
No, I am suggesting that Obama inherited an economy like the one FDR did from an incompotent Republican.
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That's incompetent.
 
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bhkad said:
It seems, for the most part, those who are talking about the downfall of the GOP are those who'd benefit from it's downfall or demise.

Republicans are simply biding their time til 2010 and then 2012.

Watch.

Reports of it's demise are greatly exaggerated.
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This might surprise you, but I hope you are right. I think having two parties(at least) is a good thing, and I believe the republican and democrats have one big thing in common...we both want to make the country better.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No it's not. Not when the topic is "What was the reason for the employment of enhanced interrogation techiques on detained enemy non-combatants after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."

In fact, it's damn hard to discuss that topic without mentioning 9/11, I'd say.
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Your right, 9/11. I think it, 9/11, is impossible to 9/11 not mention 9/11. :lol:
 
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tlmorg02 said:
A majority of this money will be returned through the payback of the bail-outs. And Bush alone with his GOP Congress increased national debt by over $1Trillion.
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So, it's a 1.8 trillion dollar debt. And you're blowing it off. then you're excusing what took the Messiah less than 60 days to create with what took his predecessor eight years to create, and who had two wars to fight as well.

Good job, Don't wipe the brown spot off your nose, many of your friends think of it as a badge of honor.

Did you happen to notice that when banks are saying they want to repay the money back, the government is saying "hold on there now, let's not be hasty. Right now we own you, and we like it that way." You missed that?
 
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