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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    FDR spent more money than anyother president before him to overhaul the U.S. during the Great Depression in the New Deal. The result? America became the richest nation in the world. This is the same thing, an overhaul, and it will work.
    The historic facts do not support your argument. If anything economists suggest that the spending exacerbated and lengthened the depression; it was WWII that got us out of it. And it took decades to pay the deficits created by the war down.

    The notion that FDR's work projects made us the richest nation in the world is not supported by any credible historic record.

    But that stated, what does what happened in FDRs time have to do with now? Last time I looked, we were in a recession, not a World War. Are you desperately trying to defend this irresponsible spending spree by suggesting it is like WWII?

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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Clinton, not the Repubican Congress balanced the budget. Republicans simply voted yes for his budget and attempted to take the credit. The Republican Congress under Bush passed 90% of any budget or policy and created the current deficit. Now who is ignoring the historical record? Do you think the War in Iraq was free?
    You truly are living in a parallel universe if you believe this poppycock. Did you ever hear of Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America?

    Do me a favor, present me with one credible link that supports your assertion that Clinton had ANYTHING to do with the surplus; particularly when it was the Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich who set the spending agenda.


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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You truly are living in a parallel universe if you believe this poppycock. Did you ever hear of Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America?

    Do me a favor, present me with one credible link that supports your assertion that Clinton had ANYTHING to do with the surplus; particularly when it was the Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich who set the spending agenda.

    What is the Newts great legacy as being the Republicans speaker of the house.

    Wasn't he forced to step down due to ethics violations?
    The new voice of the Republican party....Run with that. It's a proven winner.

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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    What is the Newts great legacy as being the Republicans speaker of the house.

    Wasn't he forced to step down due to ethics violations?
    The new voice of the Republican party....Run with that. It's a proven winner.
    Why don't you look it up instead of entering into intellectually challenged babble?

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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why don't you look it up instead of entering into intellectually challenged babble?
    Nope..as you can see I'm an expert on the meaning of truth.

    Nobody has to look up the fact the Newt is a pandering nitwit.

    Everybody already knows that.

    Everyone that understands what "truth" is.
    Last edited by goldendog; 05-22-09 at 06:33 PM.

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    Re: Tom Ridge Says Cheney is Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    What is the Newts great legacy as being the Republicans speaker of the house.

    Wasn't he forced to step down due to ethics violations?
    The new voice of the Republican party....Run with that. It's a proven winner.
    I gotta tell you the most of the time I read or see something on this it literally makes me lol.

    The new and ethical voice of the republican party.....Newt



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    Re: First on The CNN Ticker: Ridge disagrees with Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is style that makes him fear mongering. I think the count was 24 times Cheney invoked 9/11. That is fear mongering, using fear to make your point.

    I do agree 100 % with the idea that President Obama needs to stop invoking president Bush's administration. It tends to come off sounding like an excuse.
    Fear mongering is one thing but to those who forget or never experienced the pain of 9/11 they need to be reminded of what this war on terror is all about. A war we didn't start.

    Standing outside of the issue one can gain an unenviable objectivity about these matters.

    Half this country or more felt 9/11 emotionally and still feel it that way and are inclined to old school attitudes toward threats to our country and those who threaten us.

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    Re: First on The CNN Ticker: Ridge disagrees with Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Fear mongering is one thing but to those who forget or never experienced the pain of 9/11 they need to be reminded of what this war on terror is all about.
    24 times? Sorry you can't admit it, but that's fear mongering.

    Hell I even called Obama fear mongering when he mentioned how much the economy was in need of that stimulus IMMEDIATELY.

    You should try to at least be objective on that. 24 times is fear mongering.

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    Re: First on The CNN Ticker: Ridge disagrees with Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    24 times? Sorry you can't admit it, but that's fear mongering.

    Hell I even called Obama fear mongering when he mentioned how much the economy was in need of that stimulus IMMEDIATELY.

    You should try to at least be objective on that. 24 times is fear mongering.
    In this world of 30 second sound bytes each pithy phrase needs to have 9/11 in it to make sense and have the right impact in a sound byte.

    Media 101.
    Last edited by bhkad; 05-22-09 at 07:26 PM.

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    Re: First on The CNN Ticker: Ridge disagrees with Cheney

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Fear mongering is one thing but to those who forget or never experienced the pain of 9/11 they need to be reminded of what this war on terror is all about. A war we didn't start.

    Standing outside of the issue one can gain an unenviable objectivity about these matters.

    Half this country or more felt 9/11 emotionally and still feel it that way and are inclined to old school attitudes toward threats to our country and those who threaten us.
    Just to be clear, I still cannot watch the 9/11 footage. If they start showing part of it in a news story, I have to turn the channel. I found what happened to be incredibly emotionally devastating. There is zero chance I will ever forget the day.

    I play MMO's. At the time of 9/11, I played an online game called Everquest. After I had to run from the coverage of the disaster, being totally unprepared for the sight of people jumping to their death to avoid the heat of the building and things of that nature, I logged into Everquest. There where people online in the game, who knew people who worked in the WTC, who knew people in New York, or who lived in New York, all doing largely what I was doing, getting away from the pain. I remember some of the things they where saying, and marveled at the pain and torment these people where feeling.

    9/11 affected me deeply, and forever. I think that is true for almost every one, liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. I don't think we are in any danger of forgetting 9/11.

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