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Later Terror Link Cited for 1 in 7 Freed Detainees

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An unreleased Pentagon report concludes that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, are engaged in terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1

Seems to me this story confirms the incompetence of the Bush administration. Check the record:

1 - Useful information stopped flowing as soon as they began to torture detainees

2 - It may be impossible to try tortured prisoners, who are the "worst of the worst", because of their treatment

3 - By releasing detainees without trying them, 1 out of 7 have returned to the battlefield, with renewed hatred for Americans.

tell me again how all this kept us safe?
 
WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1

Seems to me this story confirms the incompetence of the Bush administration. Check the record:

1 - Useful information stopped flowing as soon as they began to torture detainees

2 - It may be impossible to try tortured prisoners, who are the "worst of the worst", because of their treatment

3 - By releasing detainees without trying them, 1 out of 7 have returned to the battlefield, with renewed hatred for Americans.

tell me again how all this kept us safe?
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Bush? Obama has released the detainees. And that administration is one who wants to incite fear to ensure people believe that the "War on Terror" must go on.
 
Maxientius said:
Bush? Obama has released the detainees. And that administration is one who wants to incite fear to ensure people believe that the "War on Terror" must go on.
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The prisoners released in the article were under Bush's administration. Thus, the argument is against Obama's plan to release more.
 
WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1

Seems to me this story confirms the incompetence of the Bush administration. Check the record:

1 - Useful information stopped flowing as soon as they began to torture detainees

2 - It may be impossible to try tortured prisoners, who are the "worst of the worst", because of their treatment

3 - By releasing detainees without trying them, 1 out of 7 have returned to the battlefield, with renewed hatred for Americans.

tell me again how all this kept us safe?
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One in seven (14.3%) is considered a cause for concern.
 
Maxientius said:
Bush? Obama has released the detainees. And that administration is one who wants to incite fear to ensure people believe that the "War on Terror" must go on.
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I don't believe Obama has released a single prisoner. Why would he? The procedure is to try them. Only the incompetence of the Bush administration led to release of prisoners without trial.
 
WillRockwell said:
I don't believe Obama has released a single prisoner. Why would he? The procedure is to try them. Only the incompetence of the Bush administration led to release of prisoners without trial.
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So you think they released the prisoners not because they had no grounds to hold them for trial or because they had insufficient evidence or because a judge ordered it, but because they incompetently released them.....like accidently leaving the door unlocked, or just plain letting them loose because they promised to be good?
 
American said:
So you think they released the prisoners not because they had no grounds to hold them for trial or because they had insufficient evidence or because a judge ordered it, but because they incompetently released them.....like accidently leaving the door unlocked, or just plain letting them loose because they promised to be good?
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I don't know. It was your guys who released them, so why don't you explain it?
 
Here, I'll try to help. Here is the announcement of the release of 7 prisoners in 2006, though it does not say why they were released.



The Department of Defense announced today that it released seven detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to Afghanistan. This movement included five detainees recommended for release by the Administrative Review Board.

During the course of the war on terrorism, the department expects that there will be other transfers or releases of detainees.

There are ongoing processes to review the status of detainees. A determination about the continued detention or transfer of a detainee is based on the best information and evidence available at the time. The circumstances in which detainees are apprehended can be ambiguous, and many of the detainees are highly skilled in concealing the truth.

With this release, DoD has transferred or released 267 detainees from GTMO – 187 for release and 80 transferred to other governments, including Afghanistan, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Denmark, France, Great Britain, Kuwait, Morocco, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden and Uganda.
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DoD News: Detainee Release Announced
 
WillRockwell said:
I didn't make an allegation, I linked to a breaking news story
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All of the detainees released were court-ordered. Does no one remember the several court cases that the administration lost? There was insufficient evidence, so the judge ordered their release.

The main problem I see is that appears people were taken to Gitmo regardless of their importance or potential crimes. That indeed is careless.
 
tlmorg02 said:
All of the detainees released were court-ordered. Does no one remember the several court cases that the administration lost? There was insufficient evidence, so the judge ordered their release.

The main problem I see is that appears people were taken to Gitmo regardless of their importance or potential crimes. That indeed is careless.
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None of the detainees appeared in court, their cases were administered by the Administrative Review Board, which allowed no counsel for detainees and would not even inform them what the charges were against them. According to the article, this is the agency that recommended releasing detainees. They had no facts about individual cases, only the report filed when the detainee was apprehended.
 
This is a tough one actually. Without more information it is almost impossible to form a good opinion(this seems to be true on much of the "war on terror"). I would question if there was any way in advance to know that a fair number would go (back) to terrorist groups. Was there a way to separate the 1 from the other 6? If not, then I don't see how we can blame President Bush and his administration for this.

I have a suspicion that this is just an unfortunate but inevitable happening.
 
WillRockwell said:
I didn't make an allegation, I linked to a breaking news story
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You alleged Bush admin was incompentent, I don't see that in the article. Therefore it was you.
 
WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21gitmo.html?_r=1

Seems to me this story confirms the incompetence of the Bush administration. Check the record:

1 - Useful information stopped flowing as soon as they began to torture detainees

2 - It may be impossible to try tortured prisoners, who are the "worst of the worst", because of their treatment

3 - By releasing detainees without trying them, 1 out of 7 have returned to the battlefield, with renewed hatred for Americans.

tell me again how all this kept us safe?
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You read that story and came away with the conclusion that it proves BUSH is an idiot?

Talk about confirmation bias...

WillRockwell said:
I don't believe Obama has released a single prisoner. Why would he? The procedure is to try them. Only the incompetence of the Bush administration led to release of prisoners without trial.
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lol

Four seconds of google discovered these from the past month alone:

May 2009:

Guantanamo Bay detainee released to France – The CNN Wire - CNN.com Blogs

Several Guantanamo Bay detainees to be released in Washington, D.C., suburbs, say sources

Definitely sounds like the procedure is to try them and not release them. :lol:
 
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