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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The only problem I have with it is the legal implications regarding holding these people on sovereign U.S. territory which will grant them full Constitutional protections which IMHO they are in no way entitled to.
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    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Considering Gbay is under our jurisdiction then it would seem to me like they'd already be subject to our laws and protections. Unless you want to argue that the federal government can deny any person under it's jurisdiction the protection of the law.
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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Why should we give non-U.S. citizens engaged in overt acts of war against the U.S. civilian as opposed to military trials? The real reason why you people want Gitmo closed and the detainees brought to the U.S. is so you can provide them with full Constitutional protections of which have never been provided to POW's let alone unlawful combatants in the entire history of this planet.

    Oh and FYI if they are found not guilty they can't be sent home because their countries of origins will not take them, meaning that we will be forced to grant them U.S. citizenship which again is what the left is really after here.
    I am not advocating giving them full Constitutional protection, but I am advocating a fair trial. And I am not advocating giving them full citizenship if not guilty. Question though, what would you do with the detainees who have done nothing wrong? Do you think it is ok to lock innocent people up forever because they were wrongly detained?

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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If they are brought to the U.S. they will all be set free because all evidence against them will be deemed inadmissible because not only did they undergo coercive interrogations but they were denied Miranda rights. This is what Obama and the left are really after because once they set foot on sovereign U.S. territory they will be afforded full Constitutional protections. But it doesn't stop there either because since these peoples countries of origins won't take them we will have no choice but to set them free within the United States and either grant them citizenship or alien resident status so that they can get on about their business of killing Americans.

    I think you are mistaken that they get constitutional protection once they set foot in America. They are military prisoners, and are accorded no rights beyond the judicial process.

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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Enemy combatants are now considered "poor shmucks"?
    Way to completely dodge the meat of the argument and focus on the garnish.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If they are brought to the U.S. they will all be set free because all evidence against them will be deemed inadmissible because not only did they undergo coercive interrogations but they were denied Miranda rights. This is what Obama and the left are really after because once they set foot on sovereign U.S. territory they will be afforded full Constitutional protections. But it doesn't stop there either because since these peoples countries of origins won't take them we will have no choice but to set them free within the United States and either grant them citizenship or alien resident status so that they can get on about their business of killing Americans.
    Yeah... I'm really sure that Obama's master plan is to bring terrorists here and grant them citizenship. Fail.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Way to completely dodge the meat of the argument and focus on the garnish.
    Most of these prisoners are not terrorists but "enemy combatants", which simply means they fought against Americans in Afghanistan. Even the German and Japanese prisoners in WW2 were processed and release long before the time already served by these detainees. It is time to decide on their fate, and stop irresponsibly pretending they don't exist.

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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Way to completely dodge the meat of the argument and focus on the garnish.
    Actually, I think it speaks towards the attitude the left has regarding the enemy combatants. They seem to have deep, profound sympathy for them. Its one thing to argue the merits of how we handle this issue, and I have no problem with a healthy and vigourous debate over detainee legal rights. But lets not call these enemies of our state, and just enemies of freedom in general, "poor shmucks".
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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    I'll still love Montana even if they take the killers. However, these killers may serve better as hunting targets in the Montana back country.
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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Whose idea was it to build that facility in that location? Just another typical US government project, eh?


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    Re: Hardin, Montana Requests Guantanamo Detainees

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Actually, I think it speaks towards the attitude the left has regarding the enemy combatants. They seem to have deep, profound sympathy for them. Its one thing to argue the merits of how we handle this issue, and I have no problem with a healthy and vigourous debate over detainee legal rights. But lets not call these enemies of our state, and just enemies of freedom in general, "poor shmucks".
    Where the f*** do you get the idea that the "left" has sympathy for these guys? If you don't understand the issue any better than that, maybe you should stay out of it. Most of these detainees are not terrorists, and should not have rotted in Gitmo for eight years. Those that are terrorists should be either locked up for life or killed. Either way, some sort of justice should have been rendered by now, and your Republican administration weakened America by screwing up what should have been a straight forward POW issue.

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