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    Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Men Allegedly Bought Stinger Missile, C-4 Explosives Through FBI Informant

    Four men who allegedly plotted to blow up a New York synagogue and shoot military planes at an upstate New York Air National Guard base were arrested tonight by the FBI on charges including plotting to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States.

    Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot - ABC News
    Damn FBI infringing upon the rights of this oppressed minority to murder Jews, hopefully the ACLU will be providing them with the best representation money can buy.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    I do not understand our laws. These guys are simply facing life in prison. They should be facing execution. Why keep them around for tax payers to cover the bill for maintaining their worthless lives.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not understand our laws. These guys are simply facing life in prison. They should be facing execution. Why keep them around for tax payers to cover the bill for maintaining their worthless lives.
    Executions in this country are more costly than life sentences.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Executions in this country are more costly than life sentences.
    That is only due to the appeal system. Reform is much needed.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Damn FBI infringing upon the rights of this oppressed minority to murder Jews, hopefully the ACLU will be providing them with the best representation money can buy.
    These guys will be sympathetic pop icons with book deals by the time the ACLU and the far left is done.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    What exactly do you bring up the ACLU? The article made no mention of them. Second of all, these men have a right to legal representation, as required by our laws. In our adversarial system, a lawyer is duty bound to aid their client to the best of their ability.

    I really don't see what you are whining about. I see no reason why these men aren't going to end up in nice prison cell where they can't hurt anyone.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    That is only due to the appeal system. Reform is much needed.
    It doesn't matter what the reason is. What we have is what we have, so it's cheaper to feed and clothe them than it is to off them.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It doesn't matter what the reason is. What we have is what we have, so it's cheaper to feed and clothe them than it is to off them.
    I believe that you are offering a false choice.

    Dudley Sharp, Death Penalty Resources Director of Justice For All (JFA), in an Oct. 1, 1997 Justice for All presentation titled "Death Penalty and Sentencing Information," wrote:
    "Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ('LWOP') at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.

    There is no question that the up front costs of the death penalty are significantly higher than for equivalent LWOP cases. There also appears to be no question that, over time, equivalent LWOP cases are much more expensive... than death penalty cases. Opponents ludicrously claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than LWOP."


    Oct. 1, 1997 - Dudley Sharp


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    Chris Clem, JD, Attorney at Samples, Jennings, Ray & Clem, PLLC, in a Jan. 31, 2002 statement in response to a press release about the cost of capital cases as reported by the Tennessee Coalition to Abolish State Killing, stated:
    "Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."


    Jan. 31, 2002 - Chris Clem, JD


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    Edwin Sutherland, PhD, late President of the American Sociological Society, and Donald R. Cressey, PhD, late Professor of Sociology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in the 1974 revised edition of their book titled Criminology, wrote:
    "[The] cost is not inherent in the [death] penalty, but imposed by judges. It is not cheaper to keep a criminal confined, because most of the time he will appeal just as much causing as many costs as a convict under death sentence. Being alive and having nothing better to do, he will spend his time in prison conceiving of ever-new habeas corpus petitions, which being unlimited, in effect cannot be rejected as res judicata. The cost is higher."


    1974 - Edwin H. Sutherland, PhD
    Donald R. Cressey, PhD


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    Riptide, a Welcome to nV News - An NVIDIA Fansite forum blogger in a Dec. 18, 2007 answer to "whats your stance on the death penalty?", stated:
    "Firing squad... You want cheap execution? There you go. If the first shot doesn't do it, the second will. And what does a couple rifle cartridges cost? $1.00?"


    Dec. 18, 2007 - Riptide

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    It doesn't matter what the reason is. What we have is what we have, so it's cheaper to feed and clothe them than it is to off them.
    Buried way down below all the so called facts, behind these outrageous costs, is the element of innocent people being put to death, just often enough, to keep the "appeal process laws", some of the most powerful and expensive laws on earth.

    Granting everyone the rights to appeal even in the face of multiple murders in front of cameras, millions watching,...etc, etc.... We could cut the cost of the death penalty, significantly, by putting this type of murderer to death very quickly. No appeals...just a cursery discovery of whether this person, savy enough to set up the crime, load 8 weapons, and wear his or her vest, and cooly keep shooting,... is insane or not.

    LWOP costs could be cut by similar application of change to the laws protecting the other murderers (LWOPers) rights behind bars.

    Figured into these ridiculous cost assesments, is all the other costs of operating a prison. Such as housing dangerous criminals like those who sell pot... Legalize...cut costs.
    5% of the global population lives in the US ( by one recent accounting), while 25% of the worlds imprissoned are in US prisons, and NO we are no less a criminal contaminated society.

    Just one more thought.... Lock up ALL of the whitecollar criminals, take the 1.4 trillion dollars, ( by one recent accounting) from their criminal activities, and run the prison system off that money. Now thats what I call economic recovery.

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    Re: Four Charged in Alleged Synagogue Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Buried way down below all the so called facts, behind these outrageous costs, is the element of innocent people being put to death, just often enough, to keep the "appeal process laws", some of the most powerful and expensive laws on earth.
    ..and that's why I oppose the death penalty. There are too many damned mistakes. People are too quick to kill and they look upon innocent victims of the death penalty as collateral damage. Pretty sickening.

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