No, the fact that the rate of homicide is and has been growing lower in non-death penalty states. Should I make the claim that life imprisonment deters homicide more than the death penalty? I am only presenting evidence that doesn't support a faulty a premise.Originally Posted by RightinNYC
I've read most of them. All it is a few pro-death penalty trying to stir up something before the Supreme Court makes the decision next year on lethal injections.Originally Posted by RightinNYC
(Also, what you had made bold - not quoted above - are all variables they eliminated. Thanks for proving my point on this controlled study.)
Great rhetoric. I didn't expect anything better when presented with evidence against the death penalty deterring homicides.Originally Posted by RightinNYC
I'm just amazed that you don't seem to understand why the things you keep bringing up are non-responsive to the studies I referenced.[/quote]
I'm just amazed you think studies on faulty premises is worthy evidence for the death penalty deterring homicides.
In order to prove that the homicide rate was decreasing because of giving guns to felons, I would have to conduct a study that would correct for all the externalities. Which is exactly what was done here. 12 times.
Sure, if you can support it.Should I make the claim that life imprisonment deters homicide more than the death penalty?
?I am only presenting evidence that doesn't support a faulty a premise.
No, it's really not. Again, did you even read the article or are you just making this up?I've read most of them. All it is a few pro-death penalty trying to stir up something before the Supreme Court makes the decision next year on lethal injections.
First, the studies were published between 2003 and 2006, which means they were started significantly before that. Amazing how they were able to predict that the SC was going to "make the decision" on lethal injections in 2009.
Second, take a look at some of the statements of the authors:
“I personally am opposed to the death penalty,” said H. Naci Mocan, an economist at Louisiana State University and an author of a study finding that each execution saves five lives. “But my research shows that there is a deterrent effect.”Sure sounds like they're just trying to justify it.“I am definitely against the death penalty on lots of different grounds,” said Joanna M. Shepherd, a law professor at Emory with a doctorate in economics who wrote or contributed to several studies. “But I do believe that people respond to incentives.”
But wait, there's more:
Yea, that's that noted arch-conservative [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein"]Cass Sunstein[/ame]. What a right-wing nutjob.“The evidence on whether it has a significant deterrent effect seems sufficiently plausible that the moral issue becomes a difficult one,” said Cass R. Sunstein, a law professor at the University of Chicago who has frequently taken liberal positions. “I did shift from being against the death penalty to thinking that if it has a significant deterrent effect it’s probably justified.”
Professor Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule, a law professor at Harvard, wrote in their own Stanford Law Review article that “the recent evidence of a deterrent effect from capital punishment seems impressive, especially in light of its ‘apparent power and unanimity,’ ” quoting a conclusion of a separate overview of the evidence in 2005 by Robert Weisberg, a law professor at Stanford, in the Annual Review of Law and Social Science.
“Capital punishment may well save lives,” the two professors continued. “Those who object to capital punishment, and who do so in the name of protecting life, must come to terms with the possibility that the failure to inflict capital punishment will fail to protect life.”
They didn't "eliminate" them as you're insinuating, they corrected for them. They're a critically important part of the study.(Also, what you had made bold - not quoted above - are all variables they eliminated. Thanks for proving my point on this controlled study.)
I'm being 100% serious when I'm saying that that factoid, if true, still means nothing. Causation =/= correlation.Great rhetoric. I didn't expect anything better when presented with evidence against the death penalty deterring homicides.
You still haven't identified a single faulty premise. So far you've:I'm just amazed you think studies on faulty premises is worthy evidence for the death penalty deterring homicides.
-Said they were invalid because of Canadian homicide data,
-Said they were invalid because you can't "physically see" it, and
-Said they were invalid because homicide rates are lower in non-death penalty states
Last edited by RightinNYC; 05-23-09 at 04:42 AM.
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I read the eatils as to how these bozo's were played with by the FBI and it appears that they may or may not be smarter than a 5th grade zuccinni squash!
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