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Heading to a national park? Now you can pack heat

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Heading to a national park? Now you can pack heat

Thanks to a 279-147 vote Wednesday in the House of Representatives, visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws. The bill is on its way to President Barack Obama, who faces a dilemma: Gun rights advocates attached the provision to a sweeping overhaul of the credit card industry, an initiative Obama strongly supports, so he has little choice but to let the gun section become law.

Gun control advocates howled Wednesday, but to little effect.

I want to howl too. I couldn't agree more with the legislation, but I couldn't disagree more with how it was slipped into an unrelated bill. Legislators who do this kind of thing, why aren't their names made public?
 
Agree 100%, one of many areas in need of reform...
Why does any man need to pack a weapon when he visits a park ??.....have things deteriorated that much ??..
Then a crack down on crime is necessary..
 
Whether or not I agree with the gun rights legislation is irrelevant to how it was added to an important bill. The Conservatives in Canadian Parliament do the exact same thing and it was the source of the last election being called. It's sneaky, underhanded, and flies in the face of democracy.
 
Well as I swed I just have two question. How common is violent crimes in American national park?
Second isn't your national parks also for protection of animal and doesn't that become harder then people are running around with guns legally in the parks?
 
earthworm said:
Agree 100%, one of many areas in need of reform...
Why does any man need to pack a weapon when he visits a park ??.....have things deteriorated that much ??..
Then a crack down on crime is necessary..
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People are particularly defenseless in large parks given police are far away and they are isolated. History includes sexual preditors and serial murderers who work parks for that reason.
 
WillRockwell said:
It may become more common now, thanks to your NRA.
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Please provide evidence that crime has increased anyplace after gun carry laws were lessened?

I can show you what happens when carry or gun laws are tightened...

In the June 26, 2006, National Review Online article, "No Safety Lock," John Lott – author of More Guns, Less Crime – cited the crime statistics from Australia, Britain, Ireland and Jamaica which showed substantial increases in violent crime after more strict gun laws were implemented. In the case of Britain, Lott informed readers: "The British government banned handguns in January 1997 but recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the seven years from 1996 to 2003. Since 1996, the rate of serious violent crime has soared by 88 percent; armed robberies by 101 percent; rapes by 105 percent; and homicide by 24 percent." - CNN?s Lemon Suggests Obama Learn From Europe?s Strict Gun Laws | NewsBusters.org

"After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, England, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. Britain seemed to get safer by the minute, as 162,000 newly-illegal firearms were forked over to British officials by law-abiding citizens.

But this didn't decrease the amount of gun-related crime in the U.K. In fact, gun-related crime has nearly doubled in the U.K. since the ban was enacted.
- Gun Control Isn't Crime Control - ABC News

Get your facts straight.
 
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Why shouldn't you be allowed to carry a gun in a national park? Its absurd they had to slip this legislation in, in the first place.
 
WillRockwell said:
It may become more common now, thanks to your NRA.
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ROFL!


I just LOVE these comments.

Hey Will, every shooting spree since... let's start with columbine. Where did they occur?

A: Military Installations

B: Police Headquarters

C: Gun Shows

D: Gun-Free Zones



Think hard now, we have three places FULL OF GUNS!!! and one place that, by law, no one can have a gun.


Where were the crimes again?


Also, Which city has more violent crime and gun crimes?

A: Houston

B: San Antonio

C: Dallas

D: Washington D.C

E: A, B and C combined

Think hard, the top three are all in a state that allows people to pack heat. While D.C. doesn't allow you to!


(I bet he cannot answer these)
 
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earthworm said:
Why does any man need to pack a weapon when he visits a park ??
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Wild animals, dude ..wild animals. Also, they come in quite handy for survival.

I always carry a gun when I go backpacking; and I've hiked many a National Park. Now I'll be able to carry legally when I visit them ;)
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Wild animals, dude ..wild animals. Also, they come in quite handy for survival.

I always carry a gun when I go backpacking; and I've hiked many a National Park. Now I'll be able to carry legally when I visit them ;)
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Yes that's the only reason with allowing guns that you can shoot animals and if the park rangers comes you can just say that you shoot the moose in "self defence", or that you got lost and after four hours got hungry and needed some food;) The only problem is that you loose the purpose of national parks.
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
isn't your national parks also for protection of animal and doesn't that become harder then people are running around with guns legally in the parks?
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WillRockwell said:
It may become more common now, thanks to your NRA.
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People who didn't carry guns into parks before this legislation, because it was not legal, are law-abiding citizens by definition. Now that they can legally carry guns into parks, why would they suddenly start poaching animals, or breaking any other laws for that matter? That makes no sense.

Guns != crime.
Gun owners != criminals.
NRA != evil.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Yes that's the only reason with allowing guns that you can shoot animals and if the park rangers comes you can just say that you shoot the moose in "self defence", or that you got lost and after four hours got hungry and needed some food;) The only problem is that you loose the purpose of national parks.
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A bull moose is damned dangerous in rutting season. I've encountered feral dogs, who roam in packs, on several occasions when hiking; and these critters have no fear of people.

Laugh all you want, but the danger from wildlife is real and I'd rather be prepared to meet a threat, than not.
 
MrVicchio said:
ROFL!


I just LOVE these comments.

Hey Will, ....blah, blah, blah...
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DC is not a state, and has its own unique problems, which more guns will not fix. It's a fact that the states with the loosest firearm laws have the most deaths by firearms. In order, they are:

Louisiana - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Nevada - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Kentucky - Permit to Purchase N o
Registration of Firearms N o
Licensing of Owners N o

Alabama - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Alaska - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Mississippi - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No


For comparison, let's look at New York State, one of the largest metropolitan areas and, you would think, one of the most violent. Right? Wrong. New York has one of the lowest rates of death by firearm, and just maybe it has something to do with its strict gun laws:

New York - Permit to Purchase Yes
Registration of Firearms Yes
Licensing of Owners Yes

So excuse me for actually using facts to back up an opinion. Maybe you should try it sometime.
VPC - Who Dies - Firearm Deaths by State, 1996
NRA-ILA ::
 
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WillRockwell said:
DC is not a state, and has its own unique problems, which more guns will not fix. It's a fact that the states with the loosest firearm laws have the most deaths by firearms. In order, they are:

Louisiana - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Nevada - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Kentucky - Permit to Purchase N o
Registration of Firearms N o
Licensing of Owners N o

Alabama - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Alaska - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Mississippi - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No


For comparison, let's look at New York State, one of the largest metropolitan areas and, you would think, one of the most violent. Right? Wrong. New York has one of the lowest rates of death by firearm, and just maybe it has something to do with its strict gun laws:

New York - Permit to Purchase Yes
Registration of Firearms Yes
Licensing of Owners Yes

So excuse me for actually using facts to back up an opinion. Maybe you should try it sometime.
VPC - Who Dies - Firearm Deaths by State, 1996
NRA-ILA ::
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Thanks for A: not answering the question.

B: claiming I called DC a state, I didn't I asked which of these CITIES,,,

I also love that you went to highly biased sources.
 
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WillRockwell said:
DC is not a state, and has its own unique problems, which more guns will not fix. It's a fact that the states with the loosest firearm laws have the most deaths by firearms. In order, they are:

Louisiana - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Nevada - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Kentucky - Permit to Purchase N o
Registration of Firearms N o
Licensing of Owners N o

Alabama - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Alaska - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No

Mississippi - Permit to Purchase No
Registration of Firearms No
Licensing of Owners No


For comparison, let's look at New York State, one of the largest metropolitan areas and, you would think, one of the most violent. Right? Wrong. New York has one of the lowest rates of death by firearm, and just maybe it has something to do with its strict gun laws:

New York - Permit to Purchase Yes
Registration of Firearms Yes
Licensing of Owners Yes

So excuse me for actually using facts to back up an opinion. Maybe you should try it sometime.
VPC - Who Dies - Firearm Deaths by State, 1996
NRA-ILA ::
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Holy crap dude, all the answers WERE cities! :shock:
 
Binary_Digit said:
Heading to a national park? Now you can pack heat

Thanks to a 279-147 vote Wednesday in the House of Representatives, visitors to the nation's parks and wildlife refuges will be able to carry weapons there if they abide by state weapons laws. The bill is on its way to President Barack Obama, who faces a dilemma: Gun rights advocates attached the provision to a sweeping overhaul of the credit card industry, an initiative Obama strongly supports, so he has little choice but to let the gun section become law.

Gun control advocates howled Wednesday, but to little effect.

I want to howl too. I couldn't agree more with the legislation, but I couldn't disagree more with how it was slipped into an unrelated bill. Legislators who do this kind of thing, why aren't their names made public?
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There was never a valid reason for banning firearms in national parks to begin with.
 
earthworm said:
Agree 100%, one of many areas in need of reform...
Why does any man need to pack a weapon when he visits a park ??.....have things deteriorated that much ??..
Then a crack down on crime is necessary..
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Why does anyone need to demonstrate a need to exercise a specifically stated constitutional right?

I don't believe you demonstrated a need to free speech before you made that post....
 
Jerry said:
There was never a valid reason for banning firearms in national parks to begin with.
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There isn't a valid reason to carry guns into a park in the first place. How long will it be until we read a story about one camper shooting another because his campfire smoke was blowing into his camp? :roll:
 
Jerry said:
Why does anyone need to demonstrate a need to exercise a specifically stated constitutional right?
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That also applies to unenumerated constitutional rights as protected by the 9th amendment.
 
ADK_Forever said:
There isn't a valid reason to carry guns into a park in the first place.
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Self defense.

ADK_Forever said:
How long will it be until we read a story about one camper shooting another because his campfire smoke was blowing into his camp? :roll:
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How long will it be until we read a story about one camper shooting another in self defense because the first camper was going to shoot him when his campfire smoke was blowing into his camp?

I can play this game all day :cool:
 
ADK_Forever said:
How long will it be until we read a story about one camper shooting another because his campfire smoke was blowing into his camp? :roll:
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This kind of alarmist hyperbole makes me want to barf.
 
ADK_Forever said:
There isn't a valid reason to carry guns into a park in the first place.
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It just occurred to me that you must have never been to Mt. Rushmore or Custer State Park during Sturgis Rally.

I promise no gun ban ever stopped all those biker gangs felons from carrying.

See the only thin this law changed is that now the law abiding citizens can also pack heat.
 
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