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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Please provide a link to the "multiple attacks on US soil" between 2001 and 2008?
    I wasn't tlaking about attacks on US Soil between 2001-2008, I meant to infer 1990-2001.
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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Can you please illustrate the logical connection between giving this guy a fair trial, and other people who aren't in our prisons being more likely to fly planes into buildings?
    Can you give a logical explanation how giving terrorist captured on foreign soil deserve a trial and can be convicted? You really think a defense lawyer couldn't get ever last bit of evidence tossed out because the military didn't follow "proper police" procedures?
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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Can you give a logical explanation how giving terrorist captured on foreign soil deserve a trial and can be convicted? You really think a defense lawyer couldn't get ever last bit of evidence tossed out because the military didn't follow "proper police" procedures?
    the military does not have to follow police procedures. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's best to keep quiet.

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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Please provide a link to the "multiple attacks on US soil" between 2001 and 2008?
    Military ships are considered US soil, just in case you didn't know. So are embassies.
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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The difference? Multiple attacks on US Soil, embassies, ships... and so forth.
    Attacks against military targets are NEVER terrorist attacks.

    Terrorist attacks only occur against civilian targets.

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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Attacks against military targets are NEVER terrorist attacks.

    Terrorist attacks only occur against civilian targets.
    Terrorists are not military. Therefore I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Terrorist, not being military, cannot carry out a military attack, therefore they must be carrying out a terrorist attack.

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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Terrorists are not military. Therefore I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Terrorist, not being military, cannot carry out a military attack, therefore they must be carrying out a terrorist attack.

    Military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    They are military irregulars.

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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Personally, I wish our last president would had made it his mission in life to make sure Osama Bin Laden was brought to trial in the NYC on or before Sept. 11, 2002.
    Do you have any CREDIBLE evidence that Bush didn't actively attempt to bring Osama to justice?

    I am always amazed when people make such farcical asinine claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    None of the Bin Laden family should have ever left the country. They should have been put under house arrest in hotel rooms with a view of ground zero. Their assets should have been frozen--no special clearances or consideration. We should have stopped at nothing to capture Bin Laden.
    Let me make sure I understand your logic here; you think that because Osama is a distant relative to Saudi's in the Royal family they should be illegally detained for the mere fact that they are related?

    Are you one of those people screeching hysterically about illegal torture too?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    We have the greatest military in the word. We have smart lawyers in the DOJ. And U.S. Marshals rule. Bring 'em to NYC!! It's about time.
    Once more, the problem with bringing these terrorist thugs onto US soil is the issue of evidence.

    I have attempted to educate the uninformed on numerous occasions and still, many don't get it; THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

    These are people who we know to be bad guys who have been captured in Afghanistan or Iraq while engaged in activities that could range from being a fighter to having been rounded up in a terrorist training camp. There may be NO evidence of direct crimes because when you are engaged in a firefight, you don't keep track of who the person captured may have shot and killed; you only know they were with a group attacking or intent on attacking.

    They do not meet the evidentiary requirements of typical prosecutions. This is why they are being kept indefinitely in Guantanamo. They are non-uniformed enemy combatants; they are deemed dangerous but we cannot PROVE it with standard rules for prosecuting people in the US. I am amazed so many STILL donít get it.


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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Do you have any CREDIBLE evidence that Bush didn't actively attempt to bring Osama to justice?

    I am always amazed when people make such farcical asinine claims.



    Let me make sure I understand your logic here; you think that because Osama is a distant relative to Saudi's in the Royal family they should be illegally detained for the mere fact that they are related?

    Are you one of those people screeching hysterically about illegal torture too?



    Once more, the problem with bringing these terrorist thugs onto US soil is the issue of evidence.

    I have attempted to educate the uninformed on numerous occasions and still, many don't get it; THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.

    These are people who we know to be bad guys who have been captured in Afghanistan or Iraq while engaged in activities that could range from being a fighter to having been rounded up in a terrorist training camp. There may be NO evidence of direct crimes because when you are engaged in a firefight, you don't keep track of who the person captured may have shot and killed; you only know they were with a group attacking or intent on attacking.

    They do not meet the evidentiary requirements of typical prosecutions. This is why they are being kept indefinitely in Guantanamo. They are non-uniformed enemy combatants; they are deemed dangerous but we cannot PROVE it with standard rules for prosecuting people in the US. I am amazed so many STILL donít get it.

    Truth, i agree 100%. Thanked you in this post.

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    Re: First Guantanamo Detainee to Come to NYC for Trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    And how exactly is this a threat again? If we don't have evidence then why are we holding him? If we do have evidence then why are you worried? Do you honestly think that we aren't able to hold him in a prison on US soil without them escaping? Your lack of faith in the rule of law is shocking.
    Because many were picked up or rounded up in terrorist training camps or during combat engagement with our forces.

    It's not like our troops are going to be gathering "criminal" evidence while fighting for their lives. I am amazed how many people in the world continue to be so uninformed about what is going on here. I guess we can also blame the mainstream media along with willful denial.


    We are HOLDING them because they are a THREAT which is the reason they are kept at Guantanamo OFF our shores in order to not have to meet the typical "criminal" evidentiary rules if they are brought here.

    There is a reason they are called NON-UNIFORMED ENEMY COMBATANTS.

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