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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I'm sorry you think freedom is crap.
    I think if you're saying you'll let a mom withhold life saving measures from her own child in order that you feel more free to do as you please with yours that is crap.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think if you're saying you'll let a mom withhold life saving measures from her own child in order that you feel more free to do as you please with yours that is crap.
    It's not so I "feel free"--it is a consequence of freedom. Some people will (in the eyes of many or most) misuse it. It is part of the risk of freedom, but freedom is worth the risk.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I'm sorry you think freedom is crap.
    Your freedom isn't at stake. If that mom is proven by the courts to be incompetent in this decision making process and the kid is also this does not mean you would be proven to be incompetent. They were not willy nilly in deciding this family is incompetent to make decisions here. There were court proceedings, lawyers, psychiatrists. It was deemed that their decision would place the child in unnecessary jeopardy and it was further deemed that the child does not adequately grasp his situation so much as he is in denial due to the delusions his mother sells him.

    Would you let a parent withhold insulin diabetic needles from a child when the child would die without them but live quite normally with them???

    If the parents are acting irrationally, incompetently, and this endangers the child's welfare it is fine for the courts to step in.

    Any hysteria you have over this affecting your rights is hogwash unless you plan to go off the deep end and act like a lunatic jeopardizing your child's welfare.

    Some children DO need to be saved from their parents and this is a child we're talking about. A sick child.
    Last edited by talloulou; 05-21-09 at 12:30 AM.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    It's not so I "feel free"--it is a consequence of freedom. Some people will (in the eyes of many or most) misuse it. It is part of the risk of freedom, but freedom is worth the risk.
    If you feed your child religious delusions for breakfast and put their life in jeopardy by doing nothing when action is required you deserve to have your parental freedoms taken away.

    How do you defend allowing another child to be abused in order to feel your freedom is protected?

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Even if some people make dumb choices.

    Huh? They are not even comparable except that human individuals are respected as autonomous beings.
    Why not? Because abortion is your favorite baby here? Abortion trumps a 13 year old child's right to life?

    Can you guarantee he undergoes the treatment he'll live? Or can you guarantee he'll die without treatment? you can't--no one can.
    The examples I gave (that you conveniently ignored!) all had serious and obvious life threatening scenarios if not treated in ways that even YOU know will save a life. This cancer is well known and the medical community is very confident in their treatment for it. You're being intentionally obtuse here.

    It's almost a certainty he will die without it. That should be good enough for any parent to make the right decision. If they don't, then that's why we have laws protecting defenseless children.

    No one's condemning him to death.
    And an abortion is setting a soul free to play among the clouds of heaven, right? I mean, if I could explain the situation to that little fetus, I'm sure it would chose to take the path that is in the best interest of mom. Right? So, what's your big deal about abortion? A fetus knows as much about cancer as a 13 year old. Right?

    You're fine with the idea of allowing this kid to die by giving his mother the right to decide. So, why isn't it ok to give another mother the same "right to choose"? If she's wrong... she's wrong. No big deal, right?

    If he dies, he does so as he chose to live.
    That sounds as intelligent and caring as Rocky's
    Ivan Drago, "If he dies... he dies."

    He's not killing himself, and his parents aren't killing him. They are choosing not to act. one can refuse life saving medical treatment. See the article I linked to above.
    A 13 year old child,
    ...WITH a learning disability,
    ......cannot chose ANYTHING!!!
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    And an abortion is setting a soul free to play among the clouds of heaven, right? I mean, if I could explain the situation to that little fetus, I'm sure it would chose to take the path that is in the best interest of mom. Right? So, what's your big deal about abortion? A fetus knows as much about cancer as a 13 year old. Right?

    You're fine with the idea of allowing this kid to die by giving his mother the right to decide. So, why isn't it ok to give another mother the same "right to choose"? If she's wrong... she's wrong. No big deal, right?
    Many "pro-life" people are only pro-fetus life. As soon as he's born, he's on his own.
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    I love this thread. A certain member proves she's perfectly fine with mothers letting their kids die because of their own religious beliefs but Jebus forbid those same mothers decided to have abortions thanks to their non-religious beliefs. This is on par with opposing a 9 year old girl who was raped getting an abortion.
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    The deciding factor for me was the kind of alternative medicine the parent was seeking. There are actually a lot of holistic alternatives for cancer treatments that reside outside of the realm of Western medicine. In Chinese medicine, for example, there are a variety of treatments. Because it's a different system, the Western scientific establishment hasn't done its own research on it, but for the Chinese, some of these methods work.

    If the mother was choosing a system that wasn't ionized water and shamanism, I might be inclined to agree that the courts have no business telling her what to do. It sounds like choice wasn't based on research, but rather a stubborn religious belief. She didn't do any research on the validity of ionized water... she just assumed that it would work because that's what her church told her.

    I'm always wary of the government forcing parents to give their kids treatment, but in this case I think it's valid. It should always be on a case by case basis, and not a general rule, otherwise the government will have too much power to act.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is different from this situation. We have a situation where one option is almost certain to save the boy's life, and the other option is almost certain to result in his death.
    So?

    The same is true with abortion but we allow parents to kill the child anyway.

    This is no different.

    There are to many people on the planet anyway.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Hell you can go to jail if you have a dog chained up in your yard that obviously needs medical treatment. If your neighbors report that you've got a neglected horse on your property in dire need of a vet's treatment you can be fined and/or jailed for abusing the animal.

    This is a child. A deluded child. His mother is also deluded. Due to their combined delusions the child is being neglected and abused. It is a life and death situation the courts should most definitely intervene even if it means throwing mom in jail for a bit and strapping the boy down for treatment. Just like the courts would lock you up for surveillance and treatment if you were deluded into believing you could fly and you were caught flapping your arms while perched on a building ledge. In life and death situations we have an obligation to aid the incompetent and see them through a time of crisis.
    You can take a dog to the vet and have it put to sleep for any or no reason.

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