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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll be honest, I'm still trying to fully form my position on this and am unsure which side I'm coming in on.

    For those going on about the "crazy religious" people, out of curiosity (as part of it makes me wonder how much of this is hatred for religions and part how much is hatred for christians) I'd ask this...

    If this person was a(n)...

    athiest that was, to use a politically incorrect but more to the point term, a Hippy who didn't trust "the man" and the corporations and because of that wanted to use holistic healing.

    American Indian family wanting to use traditional means of medicine due to their cultural traditions.

    Wiccan who wanted holistic healing due to their religious beleifs.

    Would all those be "Stupid ****s" and "lunatics" that were "brainwashing" their kid?
    I'm not going to blame religion for this, its explicitly that homeopathic, herb doctor crap.

    You trot out an Indian and all of a sudden its a miricle cure.

    If its a guy who actually studies wtf he's doing, its a fraud.

    There is not a whole lot I dislike more than homeopathy, herb, crap "miracle cures".
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You just can't stand that religion = free thought.
    Well it is frustrating. If my neighbors toddler fell in the pool and couldn't swim I'd be incredibly annoyed if her religious beliefs dictated we leave it in God's hand and wait it out to see if he learned to swim or drowned.

    And when it comes to denying kids medical care based off absurd whacked out beliefs those beliefs are usually religious in nature.

    This isn't to say religion is bad. But when religion has caused you to be delusional and allowed you to justify forsaking your child's welfare against all medical opinion then the religion deserves all the criticism it gets.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well it is frustrating. If my neighbors toddler fell in the pool and couldn't swim I'd be incredibly annoyed if her religious beliefs dictated we leave it in God's hand and wait it out to see if he learned to swim or drowned.

    And when it comes to denying kids medical care based off absurd whacked out beliefs those beliefs are usually religious in nature.

    This isn't to say religion is bad. But when religion has caused you to be delusional and allowed you to justify forsaking your child's welfare against all medical opinion then the religion deserves all the criticism it gets.
    I think the crazy person deserves the criticism alone. If I read a comic book and jump off the roof because I think I can fly, I'm the crazy one.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See? There it is.

    You will always side against religion regardless of the situation.

    You just can't stand that religion = free thought.
    So if Terry Schiavo's husband told the press that Jesus wanted him to pull the feeding tube, you would have supported his decision, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    When it came to the next-of-kin issue, I sided with the law, just as I am doing here. You should take better notes.

    My personal opinion was to have Terry's condition diagnosed using the latest diagnostic criteria; the very definition of her condition had been significantly changed since her original diagnosis years before.
    Regardless, the autopsy confirmed that she had severe brain damage and would never have regained any semblance of consciousness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Anyway, Terry's husband only wanted her dead so he could collect the insurance and live on with his new wife. Terry's parents were more than willing and capable of taking her in and caring for her; they even had the money to give her new treatments to improve her condition.
    What you imagine his motive to be is irrelevant. She made a conscious choice to give him the right to make those decisions for her when she married him.

    And her parents were not able to improve her condition, because no such treatment exists. They just wanted to cling to the hope that some day they'd get their daughter back. That's perfectly understandable, but it should not be the basis for our legal system and certainly should not be the basis for random acts of nosiness by the US Congress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    That seems to be what you want for the boy, but that's only your surrogate argument to once again stand against religion.
    Like I told Zyphlin earlier, my position would be exactly the same if the parents were non-religious hippies who mistrusted "The Man" and "corporate medicine." The courts should still order the child to undergo chemotherapy because science suggests it is by far the best course of action. To be perfectly honest, I don't really CARE what the moronic belief system of the parents is...the fact that they are denying their son life-saving medical care is evidence of neglect.
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think the crazy person deserves the criticism alone. If I read a comic book and jump off the roof because I think I can fly, I'm the crazy one.
    True. But if someone's religious belief is so unsound that a mac truck can be driven through the holes in it then I feel compelled to at least attempt to drive some sense into them. This is especially true when their religious obsession has become so toxic that it's dangerous to them and those around them.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    True. But if someone's religious belief is so unsound that a mac truck can be driven through the holes in it then I feel compelled to at least attempt to drive some sense into them. This is especially true when their religious obsession has become so toxic that it's dangerous to them and those around them.
    Note you used the word "obsession" to describe the person.

    Every religion has holes so big you can drive a mac truck through them. That's why religion depends on faith. But obsession...that's on the person who takes it to the point of unhealthiness.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Note you used the word "obsession" to describe the person.

    Every religion has holes so big you can drive a mac truck through them. That's why religion depends on faith. But obsession...that's on the person who takes it to the point of unhealthiness.
    Yes. Definitely. It's ridiculous to compare someone who attends weekly mass at any church with someone who is in a cult and allows the leader to have sex with their teenage daughter in exchange for a good seat on the UFO that's trailing the comet coming in.

    This lady is a whacked out nut. Her religious obsessions are key because they are the excuse she hides behind in order to justify her irrational behavior. That's all I'm saying.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    To defend this mother's behavior under the guise of defending religious freedom is complete malarkey. To turn a blind eye towards this child's need for the state to step in and protect him because you hysterically think the state's protection of this child somehow means big brother is going to dictate what type of hats you put your children in come next year's family Christmas photo is also malarkey.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Well it is frustrating. If my neighbors toddler fell in the pool and couldn't swim I'd be incredibly annoyed if her religious beliefs dictated we leave it in God's hand and wait it out to see if he learned to swim or drowned.

    And when it comes to denying kids medical care based off absurd whacked out beliefs those beliefs are usually religious in nature.

    This isn't to say religion is bad. But when religion has caused you to be delusional and allowed you to justify forsaking your child's welfare against all medical opinion then the religion deserves all the criticism it gets.
    How do your comments here reflect the parent's views?

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How do your comments here reflect the parent's views?
    Well let's see she claims her son doesn't need treatment because they prefer to adhere to natural remedies like water. The water cure is more in line with their religious beliefs according to them. The court claimed the boy was not afraid of his cancer, he's afraid of the chemo. This is despite the fact that every medical opinion states his prognosis is fantastic if given chemo while death is inevitable without it. The boy is under the misguided impression that chemo will kill him while running from chemo will keep him alive and safe.

    They show the mother a court ordered x-ray to prove to her that the tumor has in fact grown since treatment has been suspended.

    She naturally takes the boy and flees to Mexico.

    Where in the story does she not appear nuts?

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