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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    You can put your dog down, too......
    Oh snap! Great minds think alike

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The issue for me is that the kid does not believe his tumor is growing. Does not believe he faces death as a consequence.

    It's not as if he's grasped the scope of the situation and made an informed choice.

    He's operating in a deluded state - which is quite different.

    Looking at all the information before you and making a stupid choice is willful ignorance.

    Being completely incapable of seeing the information in front of you and instead seeing something outside of reality is incompetence caused by delusions.

    For me, it makes all the difference in the world.
    For you, absolutely, and I defend your right to make your own choice.

    Kindly keep your religion to yourself instead of forcing it on others and allow others to make their own choices, please.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So?

    The same is true with abortion but we allow parents to kill the child anyway.

    This is no different.
    We do not agree that a fetus qualifies for personhood, and whether it's entitled to any rights at all.

    Are you disputing that this 13-year-old boy is a person?

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    There are to many people on the planet anyway.
    That doesn't mean it's OK to murder them.
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We do not agree that a fetus qualifies for personhood, and whether it's entitled to any rights at all.

    Are you disputing that this 13-year-old boy is a person?
    No, you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That doesn't mean it's OK to murder them.
    It's only "murder" if it's illegal.

    Just leave them alone and if the boy ends up dying due to cancer then you can sue God.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Colleen Hauser: Authorities search for mother of 13-year-old with cancer -- baltimoresun.com



    On a related note : This lady is clearly insane and authorities should do everything possible to find this kid before it's too late. Sucks to be born into a family of crazy religious folks.

    On an unrelated note : I read this and I look back a few months ago when people got all upset because Obama dared to suggest that maybe there are people in not only Pennsylvania and maybe - gasp - the U.S. - who cling to their religious beliefs and guns. Every time I see one of these freaks I love it. I mean. Because they are seldom 'lone' members of their own church. It's never just one guy. It's one guy. Who is a member of a group of people who hold the same beliefs.
    Except that the other guy we have an example of seems to be reasoned and respectful of the law. Your attempt to paint those who have religious beliefs with the same brush as this crazy bitch have been foiled.

    That will be all.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, you are.
    I am? If I was disputing that he was a person, why would I care if he dies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    It's only "murder" if it's illegal.

    Just leave them alone and if the boy ends up dying due to cancer then you can sue God.
    And if they want to deny him food, just leave them alone and if he ends up dying of starvation you can sue Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders.
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I am? If I was disputing that he was a person, why would I care if he dies?
    You want to control over rather or not he dies, is the point.

    You don't want his family to have any say at all.

    Your position on this issue is only the one it is because you think it's the easiest way to get that control.

    If you thought the opposite position were a shorter path to that control, you would take that instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And if they want to deny him food, just leave them alone and if he ends up dying of starvation you can sue Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders.
    Terry Schiavo? She was so brain dead she was communicating with visitors.

    During the Terry Schiavo epic you were a stanch supporter of the right to die, individual choice and legal sovereignty away from the courts in favor of the wishes of the legal guardians/medical proxy.

    All that is gon now, and the only consistent thing between your position then and now is how much control you have over other people.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You want to control over rather or not he dies, is the point.

    You don't want his family to have any say at all.
    You're god damn right I don't. His family are religious zealots who are unfit to be parents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Your position on this issue is only the one it is because you think it's the easiest way to get that control.

    If you thought the opposite position were a shorter path to that control, you would take that instead.
    You're right, I'm an Evil Liberal (TM). Do you have a website chronicling the beliefs of us Evil Liberals too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Terry Schiavo? She was so brain dead she was communicating with visitors.
    No she wasn't. That was bullcrap, and the autopsy confirmed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    During the Terry Schiavo epic you were a stanch supporter of the right to die, individual choice and legal sovereignty away from the courts in favor of the wishes of the legal guardians/medical proxy.
    Terry Schiavo had no hope of regaining consciousness, whereas this boy stands an excellent chance of survival with chemotherapy and little chance without it. Furthermore, Terry Schiavo granted her husband the right to make those decisions on her behalf when she married him. This boy had no control over whose vagina he popped out of.

    What is often missed is that from a legal standpoint, the whole Terry Schiavo dispute was not over whether or not someone had a right to pull the plug (congressional grandstanding aside)...it was over WHO had the right to make those decisions on her behalf - her parents or her husband who had a new family. Common law grants the husband the next-of-kin rights, and the courts found in his favor. If he had been the one arguing for leaving the feeding tube in, and her parents wanted to pull the plug, she'd still be on life support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    All that is gon now, and the only consistent thing between your position then and now is how much control you have over other people.
    Uhh, YOU are the one who wanted control over Terri Schiavo by injecting yourself and Congress into a next-of-kin dispute which was none of your damn business. I want the government to take control over this boy's medical decisions because he has unfit parents...and child neglect actually IS the state's business, last I checked.

    And since you decided to bring up consistency, let's take look at YOUR consistency: Suppose Terri Schiavo's husband had told the press that Jesus came down from heaven and told him to pull the feeding tube, and that Jesus would personally keep her alive. Would you respect his decision then?
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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Seriously... huh? How does loving a child give you the ability to know what is right for them in areas in which you are not an expert, or even qualified? If your kid had an absessed tooth, are you saying they would be ok if they inhaled cinnamon incense, if that is what you believed? Or heal a broken leg by laying rabbit poop on the leg, without setting it? Or lay pictures of icebergs on his forehead if he had a spiking 103 degree fever?

    Damn woman, it's not even that these doctors are the only ones saying this is what this kid should undergo. It's the entire medical community!

    How would you feel if they are allowed to let this kid simply eat their cherry pits, or whatever, and the poor kid dies?

    You proposing we ignore all the medical knowledge we've accumulated on this very illness in favor of letting an obviously medically ignorant parent make a life and death decision is astounding. You, the biggest opponent of abortion, which you consider the murder of a human being. You're basically saying that a fetus, no matter how small, has more of a right to life, no matter what the mother's wishes are, than a 13 year old boy.

    Wow.



    What if they're NOT responsible?

    Do you condemn the child to death simply to respect the parent's... parenthood?
    Whoa, I just...agreed with ADK...I need to lay down.

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    Re: Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You're god damn right I don't. His family are religious zealots who are unfit to be parents.
    See? There it is.

    You will always side against religion regardless of the situation.

    You just can't stand that religion = free thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh, YOU are the one who wanted control over Terri Schiavo by injecting yourself and the government into a next-of-kin dispute which was none of your damn business. I want the government to take control over this boy's medical decisions because he has unfit parents...and child neglect actually IS the state's business, last I checked.
    When it came to the next-of-kin issue, I sided with the law, just as I am doing here. You should take better notes.

    My personal opinion was to have Terry's condition diagnosed using the latest diagnostic criteria; the very definition of her condition had been significantly changed since her original diagnosis years before.

    Anyway, Terry's husband only wanted her dead so he could collect the insurance and live on with his new wife. Terry's parents were more than willing and capable of taking her in and caring for her; they even had the money to give her new treatments to improve her condition.

    That seems to be what you want for the boy, but that's only your surrogate argument to once again stand against religion.
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