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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    So? does this rule work for failed Republican policy?

    "Remember you all will reap what you sew. When the **** hits the fan as it always does, there won't be anyone to blame it on... Cept yourselves."



    You missed the point. When there were 2 relevant parties, they could pass blame on each other, to which the sappy "centrists" could latch onto the way they lean based on said blame.


    This time, as the **** hits te fan, those sappy "centrists" won't have any other choice to go the other way...


    You have a filibuster proof majority. Who else will be to blame? We are getting off topic, but I am calling it now.... This country will shift right again over the next 4-8 years. All because you won it all....
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Obama campaigns on closing gitmo. Obama announces presidential orders to close Gitmo. Obama requests funds to close gitmo and is denied by congress.

    It doesn't get anymore obvious than that folks. The excuses and contorting is simple denial.

    +1 campaign promise unfullfilled.
    I disagree, he will issue a plan for what to do with the prisoners in the next week, and Congress will issue the money. He will succeed in this, but I think it is ridiculous we have to hold on to them even if they are innocent. Why should their homes countries kill them? What evidence do we have that this would happen? SHIP THEM BACK and save us the tax money.

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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Uhm.... The GOP is not in power in any branches of the government. This is dems right down the line. Sorry. this is all on the left.
    Again, the thread goes haywire when people forget what they said.

    You pondered if the vote was motivated by political seat stability:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What made them take this stand? Did they see a light? Political seat stability reasons?
    I agreed. IMO, they voted that way as a reaction to the fear-mongering that the far-right has been able to inject into the media echo chamber. "Gimto's most dangerous detainees released into society...blah, blah, blah..."

    Reasonable people know 1) that Sean Hannity is an ass and 2)that would never happen. Nevertheless, a good number of Senators have to run for re-election in 2010 and some of the votes could be a "Not in my backyard" to save my seat vote.

    IMO, it was really just a vote telling the President to make sure the public is clear on how the closing is going to work. And come up with a better plan to pay for it. No big failure.

    The Executive order means it will be closed, this is just a political hurdle.

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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So where are we going to put them? By themselves? Then why not just keep Gitmo open? Same difference.
    Yes keep them all by themselves..as 241 of them and no Gitmo is not and was never the answer. Gitmo is a blackeye on my country It was a Bush/Cheney tool to keep from doing the right thing..again...always.
    Used in desperated attempt to distort truth.

    These people will be tried and if found guilty convicted and then held in a Supermax Prison as it should have been from the get go.

    Gitmo, The Iraq war, The new and improved Bush Taliban and Al Quaeda are all Bush's albatrosses which he and his administration burdened our country with.
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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You mean the policy that stopped numerous attacks and kept you safe the past seven years?
    Name one attack within the US that was stopped since the second attack on our country on 9-11? Remember the first attack on our nation was the WTC attack in 93?

    Do you think torturing people to desperately find Cheney's dream link that Saddam was tied to 9-11 is good sound policy?

    Was it good policy for Bush and Cheney to allow this second attack to happened after being warned repeatedly?

    Remember Clinton caught and put the bombers and planners of the first WTC attack in prison?
    AN AMERICAN PRISON??? Not one in Cuba.

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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I disagree, he will issue a plan for what to do with the prisoners in the next week, and Congress will issue the money.
    where did you get your crystal ball of optimism?
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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Name one attack within the US that was stopped since the second attack on our country on 9-11? Remember the first attack on our nation was the WTC attack in 93?
    There have been several, and one day we'll know more detail. Los Angeles was the target of one large scale attack that was thwarted. This has been spoken of loosely, but not in full detail yet.

    U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    where did you get your crystal ball of optimism?

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    A White House task force is scheduled to report by July on how to close Guantanamo and what to do with the detainees. Some could be tried by military commissions, others could be sent to civilian U.S. courts, and still others could be transferred to foreign countries.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday that he agrees Congress should receive a more detailed plan and that the president will provide more specifics in a speech Thursday.

    "The president still believes it's in our national interest to close Guantanamo Bay," Mr. Gibbs said


    The truth is plain to see as long as people want to see the truth...

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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There have been several, and one day we'll know more detail. Los Angeles was the target of one large scale attack that was thwarted. This has been spoken of loosely, but not in full detail yet.

    U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
    If there was any substantial proof what so ever that attacks were twarted or information was obtained through torture that help to twart such attacks then Lord Cheney would have had that information out long ago..

    By the was if that lady sitting next to Richard Reid on that plane wouldn't have blown out his match then we would be talking about yet another Bush/Cheney blunder.

    They played ZERO roll in twarting Reids attempts to take that plane down.

    The passengers of that plane saved themselves.

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    Re: Senate votes to block funds for Guantanamo closure

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    where did you get your crystal ball of optimism?
    It is no crystal ball, it is fact. The Congress is only convering it's back for the upcoming elections, to say they were being responsible. It is all about not looking like tools for them. Watch and see.

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