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    U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    The U.S. Army paid "tens of millions of dollars in bonuses" to KBR Inc, its biggest contractor in Iraq, even after it concluded the firm's electrical work had put U.S. soldiers at risk (snip). The panel says KBR has been linked to at least two, and as many as five, electrocution deaths of U.S. soldiers and contractors in Iraq due to "shoddy work." Investigators believe hundreds of other soldiers may have received electrical shocks, the source added. The Army is investigating.

    U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    An electrician hired by the Army to help inspect electrical work at facilities where U.S. soldiers operate in Iraq said Wednesday that 90 percent of wiring done in newly constructed buildings by one military contractor was done improperly. The inspector, Jim Childs, said in prepared testimony that an estimated 70,000 buildings in Iraq were not up to code. The work was performed by Houston-based KBR Inc. "When I began inspecting the electrical work performed by KBR, my co-workers and I found improper electrical work in every building we inspected," Childs said.

    Senator: KBR received $83 million in bonuses

    The Senate Democratic Policy Committee plans to hold a hearing on Wednesday to examine KBR's operations in Iraq, and question why the Army rewarded the Houston-based company.


    This is absolutely appalling. I think they should be facing criminal negligence charges for getting our soldiers killed because of their incompetence. They shouldn't even get paid for sub-standard work, much less be receiving millions of our tax dollars as bonuses.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    This is a direct result of our government getting us into a situation our military was not prepared for.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    This is called government being too cozy with corporations. I am reminded of Haliburton.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    This is a direct result of our government getting us into a situation our military was not prepared for.

    How so?

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    I am going to try and word this carefully, since I don't want to give the wrong impression. Please read the note at the end of this post before condemning me.

    KBR is under investigation. They have not been convicted or even actually charged with anything criminal at this point. If the bonuses where contractually mandated, then the government is under obligation to pay them. Remember, guilty until proven innocent. from that standpoint, I think this is a nonstory.

    NOTE: If it turns out that KBR is guilty of incompetence, then I hope we fire them and never give them a singe dollar of government work in the future, and sue them for recompense. If it turns out KBR is guilty of misconduct, then dissolve the company, hang the management(literally, not figuratively), and invite any one else involved to stay in Iraq, we do not want them. I have absolutely zero patients for people who would endanger our troops to make a buck. I am an anti-death penalty liberal(save the argument for another thread), but I would willingly make an exception for those who risk our soldiers lives for a profit.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    How so?
    Our military was not prepared for a long term occupation and counterinsurgency. They were not prepared for policing Iraq nor nation building. The post Vietnam reorganization reduced our ability to support reconstruction efforts as well as effectively fight any kind of protracted counter insurgency. That was by design. We didn't have the resources because we didn't plan for this kind of action. Powell Doctrine strategy called upon overwhelming combat strength to achieve quick victory and then bring the troops home. What little counter insurgency philosophy the military had centered around small contingents of U.S. troops training the host nation government. It never called for U.S. troops to be engaged in the actual counter insurgency fighting. We were never supposed to stay in Iraq. But, according to Powell Doctrine strategy, we should have never went in in the first place as this war didn't pass the litmus test at all. In fact it failed miserably. As a result we have been strapped with not only rebuilding what we destroyed, but building new facilities in order to try and pacify the populace. We are seeing infrastructure destroyed by the ongoing insurgent activities and we are forced to rebuild what we already built. Our military cannot keep up like it should. It's a never ending cycle that is heavy on cash flow and extremely light on administration and oversight.

    That is why KBR and other contractors were brought in and at outrageous prices. The military played a huge part in oversight, and they weren't prepared for that responsibility. It was a role they weren't supposed to have to take on. There was too much that had to be done, too little effective oversight, and as a result cost plus contracts were abused and the tax payers were fleeced. This is what happened. And this is just the tip of the ice berg. Had we not sent our military in with such a poor plan and inadequate troop strength we would not be in this situation.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This is called government being too cozy with corporations. I am reminded of Haliburton.
    Possibly because KBR IS Halliburton. It gets worse. KBR actually received a bonus for the electrical work that killed over a dozen soldiers. At least the Iraqis don't charge us to kill our servicemen.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Possibly because KBR IS Halliburton. It gets worse. KBR actually received a bonus for the electrical work that killed over a dozen soldiers. At least the Iraqis don't charge us to kill our servicemen.
    It figures. And no they don't.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Haliburton and KBR are the corporations the left decided to demonize as part of their overall lets **** over Iraq plot.
    It was chosen because years ago Cheney worked for them.

    Past that they wouldn't give a rats ass if it ground up babies.



    Doesn't matter guilt or innocence..it matters how they can portray negatively. Its basically a conspiracy theory.


    Childish.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    This is a direct result of our government getting us into a situation our military was not prepared for.
    I think it's more appropriately a result of Bush admin giving no bid contracts to it's pals and in thanks, KBR took the money and did ****ty work. Anyone who knows building contractors knows that ****ty work means more profit. So KBR wasn't satisfied to take the unbid contract at a very high profit margin, they decided to make even more by doing substandard work. Aren't corporations just dandy!

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