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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    I'm saying Haliburton/KBR is a target of the Far Left and stories like this are made and often hyped to absurd levels as many of the posts in response to it show.
    This story is not being reported by the "Far Left," it is being reported by Reuters. If you can show that Reuters has hyped this story to absurd levels, please do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    It become a boy who cried wolf and even if the story is valid it still can't be believed.
    Since Reuters is reporting this story, and not the "Far Left," your assertions about the credibility of the "Far Left" have nothing to do with the topic. If Reuters has lied in the past and ruined their credibility, please provide evidence of that.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Way to take what I said and make it something I didn't say..again.
    So now that a claim I didn't make falls to the side you rather obviously distort my explanation into being another nefarious act.

    I explained what I was saying. I have no doubt you knew full well what I meant in what I said. If you cannot accept it for what it is then don't..no need to alter it or make a soap opera out of it.

    done.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Way to take what I said and make it something I didn't say..again.
    So now that a claim I didn't make falls to the side you rather obviously distort my explanation into being another nefarious act.

    I explained what I was saying. I have no doubt you knew full well what I meant in what I said. If you cannot accept it for what it is then don't..no need to alter it or make a soap opera out of it.

    done.
    You know, I gave an honest attempt to find some semblance of an actual argument in the midst of all your pointless liberal bashing, so if I got it wrong it's only because you can't seem to explain your position without plastering it with "I hate libruls" at every opportunity. I gave you the benefit of doubt and assumed you were not trying to be a troll. Apparently I was mistaken about that. Good day, sir.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    No you didn't you twisted everything I said(multiple times) in order to bash me with your false findings.
    Its clear now that you had no intention of doing anything else.


    If you reject my opinion of my own opinion then you had no desire to know my opinion to begin with.
    Don't act like you did.


    I will not play these stupid games.
    It becomes a routine then you can go impress Lerxst with your act.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To get past the partisan aspect of this, which saddens me...

    Can we all agree that any business that endangers or kills our troops for profit should, upon conviction, have it's management and executive team hung on the Pentagon lawn?
    Sorry, I'm against the death penalty for any reason. But, I'm not against seizing all of their personal assets, putting them in Leavenworth prison (not Lompoc where they can play golf) and putting their families out on the street with nothing. Then we can deny then government assistance too and tell them it's not a conservative ideal to get welfare, just work hard and you'll end up just fine.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Sorry, I'm against the death penalty for any reason. But, I'm not against seizing all of their personal assets, putting them in Leavenworth prison (not Lompoc where they can play golf) and putting their families out on the street with nothing. Then we can deny then government assistance too and tell them it's not a conservative ideal to get welfare, just work hard and you'll end up just fine.
    I can work with that.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'll have to disagree. KBR was one of the only companies available to provide wide scale resources for these kinds of operations. They had the internal infrastructure to ramp up major overseas contracting jobs under a single management shingle. I believe they went with KBR because they felt they had the capacity to carry a lot of the work load. The problem is that they were allowed into the henhouse.
    Why use a henhouse comment if you don't believe KBR is stealing chickens? You're much more of an optimist than I, I believe there were other companies capable of doing the work. I do remember a list someone put out to contradict the notion that Haliburton (which spun off KBR after getting the contracts) was the only company capable of doing the work needed (because we privatized our military down to rifle carriers).

    What I think happened was not just sheer greed on KBR's part, I think what happened was that our government was putting an enormous amount of pressure on our people in Iraq to rebuild as quickly as possible and build anew as quickly as possible because the occupation was going so very badly.
    Nonsense, we were no where near ready to rebuild anything until after the "surge" quelled the violence somewhat. Except for the work on the military bases which should have been built and inspected by the military. But of course we want to privatize the military so the MIC can have MORE taxpayer dollars.

    What this mean was "do as much as you can as quick as you can and we'll pay." They literally did have near enough qualified boots on the ground to go in behind these contractors and inspect their work. They just signed off on it, and the bonuses for "timely" completion of work began roling.
    And these contractors knew this and therefore did ****ty work to make higher profits. KBR could have brought in enough people to do the work correctly and properly inspect it themselves. Instead they chose to be greedy.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Who knows what happenned.
    I know enough not to trust any of you on the facts. I also know many of you will make accusations of guilt without any facts at all.
    Credibility is zero.

    BTW you have a conspiracy film linked in your signature...
    I believe WE know what happened. Contractors got hefty no bid contracts and then did ****ty work to increase the already massive profits and troops died from the ****ty work. I'm sad to see that even a troll like yourself would dispute these FACTS.

    Oh and if you can prove anything in that video to be untrue then I challenge you to make a thread to debunk it... I'll be right there...
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I believe there were companies capable of servicing bases, but I don't think there was a single company that had the kind of "one stop shop" horsepower that made KBR as appealing.
    That's a bad argument for giving a no-bid contract. It's a good argument if you have a bid process.

    Look, we are talking about people who went into Iraq with an absolute abortion of a plan. It's not like managing the details of a situation they completely failed to plan for were at the top of their list. What I'm getting at is that the move to outsource and outsource big came fast and with little anticipation. KBR presented a very nice option to the Bush administration as the prime on these contracts.[/QUOTE]
    This is a nice Cheney type explanation but it is leaking commonsense like a sieve. You haven't any proof that Haliburton was the only company capable of handling the contracts, you're simply parroting the admins talking points. It was attractive to them because their pals would make lots of money and favors are never forgotten.

    And given the concept of using Iraqi oil money to pay for the rebuilding I don't think that the bean counters were all too concerned in validating claims for payment.
    Too bad that was never really an option but rather a propaganda point to help sell the war. It was a flat out lie to the American people.

    Seriously, who would they send at the time?
    Damnit, I will find that list...

    I don't think that the Bush administration fully appreciated how this would shake out and KBR was just very convenient for offloading responsibility. There was a disconnect at the strategic level when it came to projecting the real civil aspect of the cost of rebuilding during a violent and widespread insurgency. They simply tried to keep up by pouring money into it as fast as they could.
    Again, you take the optimist approach. I believe that looking back at the history of US warfare there was a calculation that boat loads of money could be made. And they were right.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This is called government being too cozy with corporations. I am reminded of Haliburton.
    This is more likely the result of contractual terms within the negotiated contract. We do not know the particulars, and therefore can only speculate.
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