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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Haliburton and KBR are the corporations the left decided to demonize as part of their overall lets **** over Iraq plot.
    It was chosen because years ago Cheney worked for them.

    Past that they wouldn't give a rats ass if it ground up babies.



    Doesn't matter guilt or innocence..it matters how they can portray negatively. Its basically a conspiracy theory.


    Childish.
    Right, no one actually died of electrocution due to shoddy work by KBR. It was the medical team that is at fault, after all, they couldn't save their lives, right?

    Seriously Triad... do you think that non-liberals ever do anything wrong or is it all just a media conspiracy?

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Haliburton and KBR are the corporations the left decided to demonize as part of their overall lets **** over Iraq plot.
    It was chosen because years ago Cheney worked for them.
    This is your hyper partisan and completely baseless accusation. KBR was chosen because KBR has abused their contracts in Iraq. There has already been testimony provided that has detailed the abuse.

    So tell me Triad, does the "left" control the Defense Contract Audit Agency? Because this is a direct result of their many investigations into fraud and wasted in Iraq.

    Top Pentagon auditor cites unprecedented number of reports of suspected contract fraud, waste.
    WASHINGTON - A massive contract to support U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan received a withering review Monday, as a special panel investigating waste and fraud in wartime spending was told of numerous deficiencies in the arrangement that has paid KBR Inc. nearly $32 billion since 2001.

    Testifying before the bipartisan Wartime Contracting Commission, April Stephenson, head of the Defense Contract Audit Agency, said her agency has referred at least 16 reports since 2004 of suspected fraud or improper conduct stemming from the contract to government investigators.

    Stephenson called the number of referrals "unprecedented" for a single military contract or program. But she declined to give details on those reports or name the sources of the alleged improprieties.

    The agency has conducted dozens of audits on the KBR contract and has challenged about $4.7 billion in costs charged by the company, she said.

    KBR is the primary contractor for the so-called LOGCAP III contract, but the Houston-based company has hired an extensive network of subcontractors to help it provide U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Kuwait with dining facilities, transportation, sanitation systems, warehouses and other critical services.
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    Jeffrey Parsons, head of the Army Contracting Command, and Lee Thompson from the Army Materiel Command, were on the defensive throughout most of the hearing, which lasted more than three hours. They said the demands for KBR's services as the war in Iraq escalated stressed the contract and the accounting systems to manage it beyond planned capacities.
    Past that they wouldn't give a rats ass if it ground up babies.
    Seriously, what value do comments like this add? They are completely juvenile and not even remotely true. Are you capable of actually commenting on this story with an objective and reasonable thought?

    Doesn't matter guilt or innocence..it matters how they can portray negatively. Its basically a conspiracy theory.
    Yes, click your heels three times and say that and possibly it will go away.

    Childish.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    To get past the partisan aspect of this, which saddens me...

    Can we all agree that any business that endangers or kills our troops for profit should, upon conviction, have it's management and executive team hung on the Pentagon lawn?

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I think it's more appropriately a result of Bush admin giving no bid contracts to it's pals and in thanks, KBR took the money and did ****ty work. Anyone who knows building contractors knows that ****ty work means more profit. So KBR wasn't satisfied to take the unbid contract at a very high profit margin, they decided to make even more by doing substandard work. Aren't corporations just dandy!
    I'll have to disagree. KBR was one of the only companies available to provide wide scale resources for these kinds of operations. They had the internal infrastructure to ramp up major overseas contracting jobs under a single management shingle. I believe they went with KBR because they felt they had the capacity to carry a lot of the work load. The problem is that they were allowed into the henhouse.

    What I think happened was not just sheer greed on KBR's part, I think what happened was that our government was putting an enormous amount of pressure on our people in Iraq to rebuild as quickly as possible and build anew as quickly as possible because the occupation was going so very badly. What this mean was "do as much as you can as quick as you can and we'll pay." They literally did have near enough qualified boots on the ground to go in behind these contractors and inspect their work. They just signed off on it, and the bonuses for "timely" completion of work began roling.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To get past the partisan aspect of this, which saddens me...

    Can we all agree that any business that endangers or kills our troops for profit should, upon conviction, have it's management and executive team hung on the Pentagon lawn?
    Responsibility for this mess starts with the Bush administration (for such poor, poor planning) and rolls down to KBR. I believe the folks in the middle were probably doing the best they could in such a horrible situation. You have the White House engaging our nation in a pointless and inefficient expansionist gambit and you have KBR with a series of very fat no-bid cost plus contracts that have essentially no effective oversight whatsoever.
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Right, no one actually died of electrocution due to shoddy work by KBR. It was the medical team that is at fault, after all, they couldn't save their lives, right?

    Seriously Triad... do you think that non-liberals ever do anything wrong or is it all just a media conspiracy?
    Who knows what happenned.
    I know enough not to trust any of you on the facts. I also know many of you will make accusations of guilt without any facts at all.
    Credibility is zero.

    BTW you have a conspiracy film linked in your signature...
    Last edited by Triad; 05-20-09 at 06:46 PM.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Responsibility for this mess starts with the Bush administration (for such poor, poor planning) and rolls down to KBR. I believe the folks in the middle were probably doing the best they could in such a horrible situation. You have the White House engaging our nation in a pointless and inefficient expansionist gambit and you have KBR with a series of very fat no-bid cost plus contracts that have essentially no effective oversight whatsoever.
    From a practical standpoint, you are not going to get any convictions of any Bush administration officials over their conduct in handling the war effort. Such convictions are possible for companies that took advantage of the situation. Even if President Bush's administration mishandled the war effort(I believe they did), it is immaterial to my suggestion. Bush administration misconduct does not excuse a company that took advantage to profit and endangers our troops.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    It sure is a shame the US military was not prepared for Iraq like it was for Japan and Germany.

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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Who knows what happenned.
    I know enough not to trust any of you on the facts. I also know many of you will make accusations of guilt without any facts at all.
    Credibility is zero.
    Hahah oh my god this is so rich coming the likes of you!

    Hey, did you happen to check out the thread in which Biden was accused of revealing classified information about a secret bunker? Oh wait, I think you were there for that. Yeah, you're one to talk alright about making accusations of guilt without any facts!

    I know I have not engaged in that kind of behavior. When I level a charge against a specific person or group I accompany it with evidence to support that charge. In this case, KBR is under the gun because a series of objective Pentagon investigations have shown a massive amount of waste and possible outright fraud. Nobody in this thread made that stuff up, that is what the PENTAGON is saying.

    So tell me there Triad, who would you trust? KBR? The Bush administration? Dick Cheney? Or just anyone who says what you want to hear?
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    Re: U.S. Army paid bonuses to KBR despite questions

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    It sure is a shame the US military was not prepared for Iraq like it was for Japan and Germany.

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    It sure is a shame you would make such a comparison and leave out almost all the pertinent facts about how very different those situations were.

    Care to engage in a debate over the historical evidence in this regard? Because the only thing they have in common are the fact that we stationed troops there as occupying forces. That's it.
    Last edited by Lerxst; 05-20-09 at 06:56 PM.
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