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    Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    In yesterday's special election the voters of California rejected five of six propositions that were supposed to close the state's budget deficit but most likely would have only postponed the inevitable. Hard to believe but voters just did not want to pay more taxes to bail out years of their state government's irresponsible spending.
    Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger had pressed for passage of the propositions by saying without the proposed measures education and healthcare services would be drastically cut and inmates would be released from the state's prisons. Despite this fear mongering, the voters decided that their elected officials will have to govern within their means.

    Or not.

    At the very time the voters were saying a firm NO to the tax and spend policies that got the state into this mess, Mr. Schwarzenegger was in Washington D.C. He was there to celebrate President Obama's announcement of tough new national auto emissions and fuel-efficiency standards but I wonder if he was also laying the groundwork to ask for a taxpayer funded bailout for his state.

    I hope the President and the Democrats in Congress are paying close attention to the financial disaster that is California. They need to realize their own obscene spending spree over the past few months is what leads to this kind of problem. And if the voters in the most liberal state in the country won't shut up and pay for it, you can bet the rest of the country won't either.

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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Carole View Post
    At the very time the voters were saying a firm NO to the tax and spend policies that got the state into this mess, Mr. Schwarzenegger was in Washington D.C. He was there to celebrate President Obama's announcement of tough new national auto emissions and fuel-efficiency standards but I wonder if he was also laying the groundwork to ask for a taxpayer funded bailout for his state.
    Somebody sure is:

    California Rejects Schwarzenegger?s Budget Measures

    California Treasurer Bill Lockyer petitioned U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to arrange for the federal government to become a standby purchaser of the short-term loans in the event of default.
    My question is this: Does the US government have the constitutional authority to foist the debt of California upon the other 49 states? A US government bailout of a California debt default would do exactly that.

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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Bravo Californians.

    Perhaps it will finally give the state govt. the nerve to stand up to the public employees unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Bravo Californians.

    Perhaps it will finally give the state govt. the nerve to stand up to the public employees unions.
    One wonders if the unions have figured out which of their folk they need to throw overboard to keep the leaking lifeboat on the top of the water.

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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    My question is this: Does the US government have the constitutional authority to foist the debt of California upon the other 49 states? A US government bailout of a California debt default would do exactly that.
    Since when has the Constitution meant anything?

    If you're going to talk Constitution, the Federal government wouldn't be six trillion bucks in debt to Communist China.

    WTF, over?

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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Carole View Post
    I hope the President and the Democrats in Congress are paying close attention to the financial disaster that is California. They need to realize their own obscene spending spree over the past few months is what leads to this kind of problem. And if the voters in the most liberal state in the country won't shut up and pay for it, you can bet the rest of the country won't either.
    A poor premise. It's more accurate to accuse rightists of usage of ultimately inefficient fiscal instruments, in light of Reagan's military Keynesianism. That said, as a consistent socialist, I'm willing to oppose liberals just as much as the next person. Their ability to ensure macroeconomic stability in the capitalist economy is problematic.

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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Carole View Post
    In yesterday's special election the voters of California rejected five of six propositions that were supposed to close the state's budget deficit but most likely would have only postponed the inevitable. Hard to believe but voters just did not want to pay more taxes to bail out years of their state government's irresponsible spending.
    Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger had pressed for passage of the propositions by saying without the proposed measures education and healthcare services would be drastically cut and inmates would be released from the state's prisons. Despite this fear mongering, the voters decided that their elected officials will have to govern within their means.

    Or not.

    At the very time the voters were saying a firm NO to the tax and spend policies that got the state into this mess, Mr. Schwarzenegger was in Washington D.C. He was there to celebrate President Obama's announcement of tough new national auto emissions and fuel-efficiency standards but I wonder if he was also laying the groundwork to ask for a taxpayer funded bailout for his state.

    I hope the President and the Democrats in Congress are paying close attention to the financial disaster that is California. They need to realize their own obscene spending spree over the past few months is what leads to this kind of problem. And if the voters in the most liberal state in the country won't shut up and pay for it, you can bet the rest of the country won't either.
    My 19 year old son is now a voter and he asked me why it was I would vote against all but ONE of these propositions if it put the Government into financial trouble and possible bankruptcy. Here is my response and view, my son ended up voting likewise:

    I told him this; I am NOT voting for these propositions regardless of the consequences because it allows the politicians sponsoring them to AVOID making the HARD choices and gives them a pass by delaying the inevitable another year; drastic spending cuts or massive tax increases.

    The issue is that the Liberals who infest the California legislature with their abject stupidity do not want to do what is necessary in an effort to avoid voter fallout just as the morons infesting the Federal Government. This is unacceptable.

    They either have to CUT spending or, or RAISE taxes to pay for all their pet projects which they are desperately trying to protect and defend.

    During Bush's Presidency we saw the incessant arguments from the Liberal media and Liberal politicians that Bush should do the HONEST thing and RAISE taxes to pay down the $200 billion deficit he had accumulated fighting two wars, dealing with 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina.

    Let me repeat that; we saw never ending arguments from the Liberal media and Liberal politicians that Bush should do the HONEST thing and RAISE taxes to pay down the $200 billion deficit he had accumulated fighting two wars, dealing with 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina.

    Suddenly, we are watching these very tax and spend Liberals desperately trying to avoid the inevitable to support their withering spending sprees; they know that raising EVERYONE's taxes, which is what will be required if they do not want to make drastic spending cuts, will cause a voter rebellion against them and cost them their jobs.

    How ironic and hypocritical for Democrats to rant and rail about deficit spending under Bush and demand he raise taxes and yet now, defend the insane out of control spending we now see without ONE honest debate about how to pay for it.

    I am all for Democrats RAISING taxes to pay for the SOCIALIST programs. I want them to be TRANSPARENT and HONEST about it and PAY-AS-THEY-GO; these are the issues they beat the Bush Administration on every freaking day for 8 years. I now want them to put their money where their BIG MOUTHS are and stand behind their LIBERAL agenda.

    P.S. Over the previous five years leading to this $40 billion deficit the State had a 40% increase in revenues; and STILL these Liberal morons spent all of that and an additional $40 billion.


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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    A poor premise. It's more accurate to accuse rightists of usage of ultimately inefficient fiscal instruments, in light of Reagan's military Keynesianism. That said, as a consistent socialist, I'm willing to oppose liberals just as much as the next person. Their ability to ensure macroeconomic stability in the capitalist economy is problematic.
    I needed waders for this pile of illegible pile of Leftist bile. Using made up terminology doesn't make your uninformed rhetoric any more credible.

    You are hardly a mere Socialist; a better description is Communist. It definitely defies logic that anyone in this day and age would still be prescribing to such a failed political philosophy. It requires either willful ignorance or the willful suspension of disbelief, OR, being massively ignorant of the historic record.


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    Re: Despite Government Threats California Votes For Sanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I needed waders for this pile of illegible pile of Leftist bile. Using made up terminology doesn't make your uninformed rhetoric any more credible.

    You are hardly a mere Socialist; a better description is Communist. It definitely defies logic that anyone in this day and age would still be prescribing to such a failed political philosophy. It requires either willful ignorance or the willful suspension of disbelief, OR, being massively ignorant of the historic record.

    too bad right wingers don't understand the terms communist, socialist, nor fascist. It's ridiculous when you guys spout off.

    It's unfortunate that California cares little about its teachers, infrastructure, etc. I know Texas doesn't give a crap about it, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    too bad right wingers don't understand the terms communist, socialist, nor fascist. It's ridiculous when you guys spout off.
    And it is equally ironic when "Left Wingers" are called on their Communistic views that rail about the subtle differences between Socialist and Fascist.

    Bottom line; all three are very similar in that they require a one party rule mentality and usurpation of freedoms, civil rights and to centralize control to the politicians. They are political ideals that lead to the loss of civil liberties and forcing mediocrity onto their citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    It's unfortunate that California cares little about its teachers, infrastructure, etc. I know Texas doesn't give a crap about it, that's for sure.
    Do you have anything coherent and substantive to suggest that Californians like me don't care about infrastructure and teachers?

    The only thing you have brought so far is hyper emotional leftist rhetoric; where's the beef dude?

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