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General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel out of

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Redress said:
How is Iraqi military might now compared to what it was during the Iraq/Iran war? Leaving aside the fact that the US would actually do the fighting, just looking at the Iraqi army, isn't it much weaker now?
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I would argue that the Iraqi military is in MUCH better shape now than it was during the Iran War and under better leadership; in addition, I would argue that the Iranian military is even weaker than it was during the Iran Iraq war due to leadership issues.
 
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Truth Detector said:
I would argue that the Iraqi military is in MUCH better shape now than it was during the Iran War and under better leadership; in addition, I would argue that the Iranian military is even weaker than it was during the Iran Iraq war due to leadership issues.
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I am not sure on either, was a question out of curiosity. I was under the impression that the Iraqi army had been dismantled and debaathized(sp?), and had not really recovered yet from that, but that is simply an impression.
 
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Redress said:
I am not sure on either, was a question out of curiosity. I was under the impression that the Iraqi army had been dismantled and debaathized(sp?), and had not really recovered yet from that, but that is simply an impression.
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My understanding is that the Iraqi military has been growing and being trained and armed by our military.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Army]Iraqi Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Contrary to what Maxientius attempts to claim; Iran is incapable of controlling the air above the battlefield neither in Iraq NOR in their own nation. No one can win a modern confrontation without first controlling the airspace above the battlefield.

Ask anyone connected with the Military in the "know."
 
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Redress said:
How is Iraqi military might now compared to what it was during the Iraq/Iran war? Leaving aside the fact that the US would actually do the fighting, just looking at the Iraqi army, isn't it much weaker now?
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The US would not, and would not need to do Israel's fighting. And Israel would not fight on Iranian soil. If the Iranian army crosses Iraq in their little APC's, none of them will reach the Israeli border. It will be like Pickett's charge at Gettysburg. Do you concur Tashah?
 
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WillRockwell said:
The US would not, and would not need to do Israel's fighting. And Israel would not fight on Iranian soil. If the Iranian army crosses Iraq in their little APC's, none of them will reach the Israeli border. It will be like Pickett's charge at Gettysburg. Do you concur Tashah?
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Oh, the US would not actively fight to support Isreal I don't think(nor would Isreal need it...they is good at what they do), though we would provide aid. But if an invasion went through Iraq, we would respond and do the lion's share of the fighting.
 
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Redress said:
Oh, the US would not actively fight to support Isreal I don't think(nor would Isreal need it...they is good at what they do), though we would provide aid. But if an invasion went through Iraq, we would respond and do the lion's share of the fighting.
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well, an Iranian movement through Iraq would constitute an invasion, so yes, we would respond.
 
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WillRockwell said:
The US would not, and would not need to do Israel's fighting. And Israel would not fight on Iranian soil. If the Iranian army crosses Iraq in their little APC's, none of them will reach the Israeli border. It will be like Pickett's charge at Gettysburg. Do you concur Tashah?
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Reach the Israeli border?

Once west the Euphrates river in Iraq, Iran is in very deep doo-doo. Nothing but open desert for hundreds of miles. The IAF loves the desert...

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Tashah said:
Reach the Israeli border?

Once west the Euphrates river in Iraq, Iran is in very deep doo-doo. Nothing but open desert for hundreds of miles. The IAF loves the desert...

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F-16's so sexy!
 
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11 days? I wouldn't bet on the Iranians surviving for 11 hours.

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So let me get this staright. Israel thinks it can launch a nuclear preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities and Iran will just roll over and take it??
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Maxientius said:
So let me get this staright. Israel thinks it can launch a nuclear preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities and Iran will just roll over and take it??
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I don't think it would be nuclear, but it would be a strategic strike to destroy the facilities. However, I don't think Israel would do that to Iran.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I don't think it would be nuclear, but it would be a strategic strike to destroy the facilities. However, I don't think Israel would do that to Iran.
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Israel stated they would launch a preemptive nuclear strike.
But okay, assuming it is a standard missile strike, do you truly believe that Iran will just roll over and take it?
 
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Maxientius said:
Israel stated they would launch a preemptive nuclear strike.
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I think they meant if Iran had nuclear weapons and they felt Iran was going to launch nuclear weapons against them.

Maxientius said:
But okay, assuming it is a standard missile strike, do you truly believe that Iran will just roll over and take it?
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Honestly I don't know. I know the U.S. response to something like that and it would be war. With many countries it would be the same, so I am leaning towards an all out conflict.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I think they meant if Iran had nuclear weapons and they felt Iran was going to launch nuclear weapons against them.



Honestly I don't know. I know the U.S. response to something like that and it would be war. With many countries it would be the same, so I am leaning towards an all out conflict.
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And in that afore mentioned war, who would you predict to be the victor?
 
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Maxientius said:
And in that afore mentioned war, who would you predict to be the victor?
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I honestly again don't know. It depends on who the players are. It could be as simple as an Iranian defeat where they do nothing to an all out almost world war.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I honestly again don't know. It depends on who the players are. It could be as simple as an Iranian defeat where they do nothing to an all out almost world war.
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Nobody in the middle east wants Iran to have nuclear weapons. Publicly an attack on Iran would be condemned. In private, it would be praised.
 
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Vader said:
Nobody in the middle east wants Iran to have nuclear weapons. Publicly an attack on Iran would be condemned. In private, it would be praised.
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Again, it depends, if it is Isreal doing all the work fine.

However, I don't think the middle east will take the U.S. occupying Iran as well as Iraq. I don't think it will happen in which case it could mean WWIII.
 
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Maxientius said:
Israel stated they would launch a preemptive nuclear strike.
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Do you have a cite for this? Israel has never stated what manner of strike package would be employed.

Maxientius said:
But okay, assuming it is a standard missile strike, do you truly believe that Iran will just roll over and take it?
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Iran is in a deep recession and cannot use oil as a weapon. The Iranian navy is worthless beyond the Persian Gulf. The Iranian air force lacks the necessary infrastructure, weapons platforms, and combat-seasoned pilots to threaten Israel. Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps divisions would never survive an arduous and exposed journey across the deserts of Iraq and Jordan. Per violent retaliation, Iran has only three viable avenues.

(1. Shahab missiles armed with either conventional or C/B warheads)
Israel utilizes both the Arrow and Patriot anti-missile systems. Israel is also ringed with the newest and most sophisticated X-band radar detectors. Israel also has Jericho ICBMs which can accomodate any warhead and easily reach any target in Iran. Israeli subs have cruise missile (SLCM) capability.

(2. Tactical missile attacks on Israel by Iran proxies Hamas/Hizb'Allah)
The destruction visited upon both Gaza and Lebanon for previous missile attacks on Israel was horrific. It's possible, but the price extracted upon the host is very prohibitive.

(3. Asymmetrical attacks on Israeli/Jewish structures and civilians around the globe)
Terrorist attacks, probably on soft targets such as synagogue's etc. Besides intelligence harvesting and vigilence, there is no foolproof method available to thwart such tactics.
 
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danarhea said:
But Israel has nukes... Lots of them.

I see the ongoing situation between Israel and Iran as the same kind of posturing that existed between the US and the Soviet Union, but not happening because each side had the capability to completely destroy the other. I see this as another example of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It won't happen.
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The Godless Russkies were susceptible to a MAD threat because they lived for this world and not the hereafter. Nor did they have a Messianic ideology.

Iran's leadership has a healthy (or unhealthy) belief in the return of the long deceased Mahdi. Going up in flames would help fulfill that fantasy.

Surely you know this by now, Dan.
 
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WillRockwell said:
The statement alone demonstrates the ineptness of the Iranian military. If they really had that capability, they wouldn't be bragging about it. Iran's military capability is still in the 1960's...if they began hostilities against Israel, they would quickly learn how far modern warfare has evolved.
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Iran has some weapon systems that are effective enough to cause Israel and the US to worry.

Two examples.

According to Howard Bloom they have a land to ship missile that can reach our fleet in the Gulf before we can turn on or boot up our ship's defensive system.

Recently the Iranians test launched 600 missiles simultaneously. We have never had an effective defense against those many inbound missiles fired at once.
 
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WillRockwell said:
What capability would that be? Iran has no Air Force to speak of, no reliable missiles, only a large army, which would have to cross a very large desert/killing field just to reach Israel. Is it the threats of the Iranian general that impress you, or do you have some secret information about Iranian military capability?
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Tashah said:
Do you have a cite for this? Israel has never stated what manner of strike package would be employed.


Iran is in a deep recession and cannot use oil as a weapon. The Iranian navy is worthless beyond the Persian Gulf. The Iranian air force lacks the necessary infrastructure, weapons platforms, and combat-seasoned pilots to threaten Israel. Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps divisions would never survive an arduous and exposed journey across the deserts of Iraq and Jordan. Per violent retaliation, Iran has only three viable avenues.

(1. Shahab missiles armed with either conventional or C/B warheads)
Israel utilizes both the Arrow and Patriot anti-missile systems. Israel is also ringed with the newest and most sophisticated X-band radar detectors. Israel also has Jericho ICBMs which can accomodate any warhead and easily reach any target in Iran. Israeli subs have cruise missile (SLCM) capability.

(2. Tactical missile attacks on Israel by Iran proxies Hamas/Hizb'Allah)
The destruction visited upon both Gaza and Lebanon for previous missile attacks on Israel was horrific. It's possible, but the price extracted upon the host is very prohibitive.

(3. Asymmetrical attacks on Israeli/Jewish structures and civilians around the globe)
Terrorist attacks, probably on soft targets such as synagogue's etc. Besides intelligence harvesting and vigilence, there is no foolproof method available to thwart such tactics.
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Here's one cite and lemme know if you need more:
appletree Blog Archive Israel Threatens Nuclear Strike Against Iran

And in response to your other statement i strongly doubt that Iran will cross the desert or launch a missile strike. However, after about a month or two when Iranian civilians cross your border and suicide-bomb your capital building you will be paying for arrogantly attacking Iran.
 
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Why won't Israel just let them have nukes?
Do they really think Iran will nuke them?
If they do the US (and pretty much every other country in the world and especially christian ones) would decimate Iran. There would't even be desert left. It'd just be a nuclear wasteland.
 
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Maxientius said:
Here's one cite and lemme know if you need more:
appletree Blog Archive Israel Threatens Nuclear Strike Against Iran
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You cite a blog? :roll:

Maxientius said:
And in response to your other statement i strongly doubt that Iran will cross the desert or launch a missile strike.
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It's hard to argue against fact and logic.

Maxientius said:
However, after about a month or two when Iranian civilians cross your border and suicide-bomb your capital building you will be paying for arrogantly attacking Iran.
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Israel actually controls her borders.
 
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