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General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel out of

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"Nothing can prevent Iranian missiles from targeting the heart of Israel, if Iran is subjected to a military strike by Israel. This was the response of the Iranian military commanders to the Israeli statements about a possible military strike against Iran, because of its insistence on obtaining nuclear energy. Yet an [Israeli] attack seems improbable to the Iranians, because Tel Aviv does not have the ability to go through a war with Tehran".

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In an effort to us rhetoric as a preemptive strike Iran is promising the total destruction of Israel if attacked. It is another warning that should be taken seriously because it comes not from Ahmadinejad but from various Iranian military leaders.
I would think that any strike on Iran by Israel would have to do much more than just target their potential nuclear weapons programs. To avoid retaliation on a scale Israel would have trouble defending against any attack would have to be on a scale I don't believe Israel have the capability to carry out and include the destruction of a very large number of military targets spanning a vast area and result in the total destruction of each site. The only way to insure such success would be to use nuclear weapons of their own which would lead to a much wider war inviting Russia to become involved which under any US President in the past would mean we would come to Israel's aid. Under Obama that question is up in the air.
All of this points to the need for decisive action to eliminate little mouthy fools like Ahmadinejad who threaten the status quo in the world. The question then becomes what came be done to accomplish such goals. Do we have these people taken out and then play tag with their successor to insure their compliance?
I'm sure there are many schools of thought on these topics, so what say you do we go to the Neville Chamberlain, Barack Hussein Obama method, or do we actually look at all the possibilities before we go to directly to appeasement?
 
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Just more posturing in the middle east. Happens all the time. If it aint Iran and Israel, then it is Syria and Israel, Iraq and Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran and so on.

Israel has threatened to bomb Iran yet again, and Iran replies... nothing new there. Plus lets not forget... it is election time in Iran... a very important fact.

My only real issue is that now the Israelis have a nut job as PM who could actually order the bombing and is backed by religious zealot nationalists who easily rival the wack jobs in Tehran.

Like it or not Iran has no interest in attacking Israel (other than verbally) and is just waiting for Israel to throw the first punch.

Why do I say this? History, economic facts and geo political facts. Iran has not attacked another nation for well over 1000 years and as Iran still lives on its glorious Persian past. in many ways, then there is no basis for offensive acts from said country. Israel on the other hand.. routinely attacks other nations.

Attacking Israel will also bring down the world on Iran and screw over the economy even more. The present Iranian economy cant handle a war as it barely can handle it self at the moment. And even in Iran it is "the economy stupid". A war started by Iran could be a big threat to the mullahs and they wont jeopardize their political stranglehold on the country. Especially when an attack by Iran needs to go across non friendly areas to reach Iran... Now if the country was attacked then it is a whole other thing since for one the world would not come down on Iran in the same way, but instead it would come down on Israel who as usual would be protected by the US...

Plus the present situation suits the mullahs in Tehran very nicely.. the US and its allies are doing all the strengthening of Iran's foothold in the area for them, so why shoot the goose that laid the golden egg? Iran has not been stronger geo politically than it is now. Not even during the Shah was Iran so key to the geo political situation in the area. With no Saddam in Iraq they have pretty much free reign in the area as the only power remotely able to stop them is Saudi Arabia and they have to religiously play "both sides" to survive both internally and externally despite the Saudis wanting the mullahs out of the way just as much as Israel wants them out... if not more.

So it is just more of the usual political posturing and bs words coming from both sides.
 
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Iran is peaceful and Israel are the warmongers? Seriously PeteEU?


Seriously?
 
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You know, somehow I just don't think Iran could do it. I don't think 11 years would be enough.

Another leader of a country with too much testosterone...how different.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Iran is peaceful and Israel are the warmongers? Seriously PeteEU?


Seriously?
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Never said that.

I did say that Iran has been peaceful for centuries (as in not attacking anyone and only going to war when attacked.. aka Iraq attacking them), where as Israel has attacked other nations.. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon several times.. hell even Uganda and the USA.

Both sides are warmongers up to a point, only Israel has so far done the "war" part for real. You draw your own conclusions from that as I have as who is more mouth than actual action.

I do not trust Iran any more than I trust Israel especially with that nut as PM.

Israel has nukes but denies having them. Iran does not have nukes but everyone on the "other side" claims they either have or want them, which in turn is probally driving them to it out of pride and spite.. kinda ironic.

Iran has exported its religious terror to other areas of the world and Israel has exported nuclear technology and weapons to embargoed nations that enslaved most of its population. Iran uses torture, Israel uses torture. Iran has used assassination and spying as has Israel.. even on their allies. Iran has political prisoners, as does Israel. I really dont see much of a difference there to be honest, other than there are far more people in Iran than in Israel and the obvious religious tags. Both nations have a destabilising factor in the region.
 
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Today...

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran test-fired a new advanced missile Wednesday with a range of about 1,200 miles, far enough to strike Israel, southeastern Europe and U.S. bases in the Middle East.

The announcement will not reassure the U.S. government, coming just two days after President Barack Obama declared a readiness to seek deeper international sanctions against Iran if it shunned U.S. attempts to open negotiations on its nuclear program. Obama said he expected a positive response to his outreach for opening a dialogue with Iran by the end of the year.

"Defense Minister (Mostafa Mohammad Najjar) has informed me that the Sajjil-2 missile, which has very advanced technology, was launched from Semnan and it landed precisely on the target," state radio quoted Ahmadinejad as saying. He spoke during a visit to the city of Semnan, 125 miles east of the capital Tehran, where Iran's space program is centered.
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My Way News - Iran says it tests missile, Israel within range
 
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CIA director Leon Panetta on Wednesday said that Jerusalem knew it needed to coordinate its strategy on Iran with other nations and was aware of the fact that launching an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would mean "big trouble."

Acknowledging that he had recently traveled to Israel in order to meet Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and warn him against striking Iran, the CIA chief told Global Viewpoint that he "felt assured" Israel would not break ranks with Washington's strategy.

"Yes," he said, "the Israelis are obviously concerned about Iran and focused on it. But [Netanyahu] understands that if Israel goes it alone, it will mean big trouble. He knows that for the sake of Israeli security, they have to work together with others."

Panetta said that the threat posed by Iran "has our full attention," asserting that despite the Obama administration's strategic decision to engage Teheran diplomatically, "no one is naïve about the challenges."
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CIA head: Israeli attack on Iran 'big trouble' | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

I don't really get why you're posting this, unless you're trying to up the fearmongering against Iran.

"Nothing can prevent Iranian missiles from targeting the heart of Israel, if Iran is subjected to a military strike by Israel. This was the response of the Iranian military commanders to the Israeli statements about a possible military strike against Iran, because of its insistence on obtaining nuclear energy. Yet an [Israeli] attack seems improbable to the Iranians, because Tel Aviv does not have the ability to go through a war with Tehran".

Emphasis mine. The Republic of Korea and Japan have said this about a North Korean attack as well, and I didn't see you posting about it.

But that's because North Korea is evil.:doh
 
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wgas?

One nation makes threatening speech and the other follows suit.

Next up - Scientists report that tomorrow is a new day.
 
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I'm not sure the Iranians couldn't do it.

Israel is a tiny country. It can't take much punishment.
 
Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

Its purely political posturing. Israel threatens, Iran responds with some ridiculous propaganda, and nothing of importance happens. This general knows he can't possibly back up his claims, but he probably wants to boost his popularity for some domestic political reasons.
 
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How many times have people said that Isreal can't do, and then Isreal does? There isn't a nation in the ME that can subdue Isreal.
 
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Iran is a peaceful country is too funny for words. Currently Iran is widely described as the number State sponsor of terror in the world and have help that position for some time. Israel is and has never been what knowledgeable people word call war mongers. They have since their inception taken what ever steps were needed to survive attacks from all sides in the last 60 some years. When they have attacked anyone it was always with survival first and foremost in mind.
Sadly they are in a land that maybe they should not have been in in the first place but it's too late for that debate now. What has always bothered me is that the biggest problem people have had with the Jews is they have different beliefs than others whether Christians, Muslims, Hindus, whom ever and it's wrong now and has always been wrong to have this my Gods better than your God attitude.
The only way it could ever be cured would be for all men to suddenly stop being stupid and trying to force their will on other. I know this will get a chuckle but if as in the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" an outside force were to come and say either stop your present course of action or your planet will be reduced to a burned out cinder. That might make war like people to stop and think but then just look at how the left and right squabble over wealth and basic human rights. The left talks about them then favors killing the unborn and taking from those who earn their way to riches and giving it to those unwilling to work. I realize these are simplified stereo types but if your upset by it or in complete agreement you illustrate the point in your views.
 
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Councilman said:
Sadly they are in a land that maybe they should not have been in in the first place but it's too late for that debate now.
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It is not too late for this debate
 
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Councilman said:
"Nothing can prevent Iranian missiles from targeting the heart of Israel, if Iran is subjected to a military strike by Israel. This was the response of the Iranian military commanders to the Israeli statements about a possible military strike against Iran, because of its insistence on obtaining nuclear energy. Yet an [Israeli] attack seems improbable to the Iranians, because Tel Aviv does not have the ability to go through a war with Tehran".

YouTube - General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel out of existence"

In an effort to us rhetoric as a preemptive strike Iran is promising the total destruction of Israel if attacked. It is another warning that should be taken seriously because it comes not from Ahmadinejad but from various Iranian military leaders.
I would think that any strike on Iran by Israel would have to do much more than just target their potential nuclear weapons programs. To avoid retaliation on a scale Israel would have trouble defending against any attack would have to be on a scale I don't believe Israel have the capability to carry out and include the destruction of a very large number of military targets spanning a vast area and result in the total destruction of each site. The only way to insure such success would be to use nuclear weapons of their own which would lead to a much wider war inviting Russia to become involved which under any US President in the past would mean we would come to Israel's aid. Under Obama that question is up in the air.
All of this points to the need for decisive action to eliminate little mouthy fools like Ahmadinejad who threaten the status quo in the world. The question then becomes what came be done to accomplish such goals. Do we have these people taken out and then play tag with their successor to insure their compliance?
I'm sure there are many schools of thought on these topics, so what say you do we go to the Neville Chamberlain, Barack Hussein Obama method, or do we actually look at all the possibilities before we go to directly to appeasement?
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I`m thinking Israel is the best equiped military in the world, second only to the christian nation that keeps them well equiped. Iran was hit before and will be hit again to prevent these parasistic muslums from further expansion.:)
 
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Everybody tries to claim its posturing, but the Israelis hit Osiraq in '81 and a Syrian facility in 2007.

The Israelis aren't just whistling dixie, that is historical fact.
 
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11 days? What, are they going to do, drive there with tanks and occupy Israel?
The only way Iran can subdue anybody that far away is with missles. That would take 11 minutes, assuming they have enough to do the job. And the retaliation would wipe Iran's major cities off the map.
Remember the Iraqi officer who was on TV a lot? "all your base are ours!!!"
What a joke. Iranian govt leaders are acting just like him....
 
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PeteEU said:
Just more posturing in the middle east. Happens all the time. If it aint Iran and Israel, then it is Syria and Israel, Iraq and Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran and so on.

Israel has threatened to bomb Iran yet again, and Iran replies... nothing new there. Plus lets not forget... it is election time in Iran... a very important fact.

My only real issue is that now the Israelis have a nut job as PM who could actually order the bombing and is backed by religious zealot nationalists who easily rival the wack jobs in Tehran.

Like it or not Iran has no interest in attacking Israel (other than verbally) and is just waiting for Israel to throw the first punch.

Why do I say this? History, economic facts and geo political facts. Iran has not attacked another nation for well over 1000 years and as Iran still lives on its glorious Persian past. in many ways, then there is no basis for offensive acts from said country. Israel on the other hand.. routinely attacks other nations.

Attacking Israel will also bring down the world on Iran and screw over the economy even more. The present Iranian economy cant handle a war as it barely can handle it self at the moment. And even in Iran it is "the economy stupid". A war started by Iran could be a big threat to the mullahs and they wont jeopardize their political stranglehold on the country. Especially when an attack by Iran needs to go across non friendly areas to reach Iran... Now if the country was attacked then it is a whole other thing since for one the world would not come down on Iran in the same way, but instead it would come down on Israel who as usual would be protected by the US...

Plus the present situation suits the mullahs in Tehran very nicely.. the US and its allies are doing all the strengthening of Iran's foothold in the area for them, so why shoot the goose that laid the golden egg? Iran has not been stronger geo politically than it is now. Not even during the Shah was Iran so key to the geo political situation in the area. With no Saddam in Iraq they have pretty much free reign in the area as the only power remotely able to stop them is Saudi Arabia and they have to religiously play "both sides" to survive both internally and externally despite the Saudis wanting the mullahs out of the way just as much as Israel wants them out... if not more.

So it is just more of the usual political posturing and bs words coming from both sides.
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More liberal rhetoric.

You really need to wake up and stop backing the terrorists in Iran.

Shame on you for being so blind.
 
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Vader said:
More liberal rhetoric.

You really need to wake up and stop backing the terrorists in Iran.

Shame on you for being so blind.
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How is having a differing view other than "Iran needs to be wiped off the map" backing Iran?

He made very good economical points of why Iran won't attack Israel. You may not agree with him on those points, but that doesn't mean he is backing Iran.

Why is it many people always assume there are only two sides to a situation and if you don't 100% back the rhetoric of one side, you are automatically for the other side?

Both sides can be wrong at the same time.
 
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PeteEU said:
Both sides are warmongers up to a point, only Israel has so far done the "war" part for real.
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Yes... and, like Iran, only when attacked.
You draw your own conclusions from that.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Iran is peaceful and Israel are the warmongers? Seriously PeteEU?


Seriously?
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They are both worthless. Both are warmongers and both will hopefully wipe each other off of the map.
 
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PeteEU said:
Never said that.

I did say that Iran has been peaceful for centuries (as in not attacking anyone and only going to war when attacked.. aka Iraq attacking them), where as Israel has attacked other nations.. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon several times.. hell even Uganda and the USA.

Both sides are warmongers up to a point, only Israel has so far done the "war" part for real. You draw your own conclusions from that as I have as who is more mouth than actual action.
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so in Pete's world one can perform any action under the sun except attack with a state military to achieve angelic status. For example, even though Egypt unlawfully blocked off Israels trade routes, Israel's economic lifeline, Israel is the big mean aggressor because it attacked. :no:

Israel has exported nuclear technology
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who?

and weapons to embargoed nations that enslaved most of its population.
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who?
 
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PeteEU said:
Iran has exported its religious terror to other areas of the world and Israel has exported nuclear technology and weapons to embargoed nations that enslaved most of its population.
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Please provide a cite for the bolded above.

PeteEU said:
Iran uses torture, Israel uses torture.
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Wrong. Israel outlawed torture in 2000.

PeteEU said:
Both nations have a destabilising factor in the region.
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By far the greatest destabilizers in the region (and all around the world) were your brood... the European colonialist powers.
 
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scourge99 said:
so in Pete's world one can perform any action under the sun except attack with a state military to achieve angelic status. For example, even though Egypt unlawfully blocked off Israels trade routes, Israel's economic lifeline, Israel is the big mean aggressor because it attacked. :no:
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What a load of propaganda bull****. Israel's "economic lifeline" was not blocked in any way. Most of Israel's goods in and out came through ports in the med, which were not blocked by anyone. It was an excuse nothing more and Israel used it. They knew that there was a very real possibility that Egypt would attack one day and struck first and used the blockade as an excuse. Nothing more nothing less. They fired the first shot so to say and regardless of the revisionist history writing of Israeli and American historians, the facts are very clear even today.

Now that is not saying that Egypt and Syria at the time were angels in any way.. far far from it, but the reality is that Israel attacked first. I have no doubt that Egypt and Syria would attack Israel at some point but it still does not change the fact that they did not.

If we look at Iran, we see no aggression against other nations by military force. In fact I suspect we would have to go back several hundred years to even get close to any aggressive Iranian action. That of course does not mean they are angels and all pink and smell nice.. far from it.

But in the context of a military strike, Israel has a history of doing so, Iran has not. That is a fact.

As for the rest. Like it or not, Israel has played the aggressor several times. Iran has not You and Israel can claim "self defence" but facts are facts..if you attack first then you are aggressor in the eyes of the world.

who?
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Apartheid South Africa.

who?
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Apartheid South Africa.
 
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PeteEU said:
What a load of propaganda bull****. Israel's "economic lifeline" was not blocked in any way.
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A blockade is an act of war. Period.
Israel responded to an act of war by going to war, as was her right.
Any other interpretation is a load of propaganda bull****.
 
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