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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

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    It is only with the emergence of Shia Iran as a nuclear power that the Arab Sunni nations feel exposed and vulnerable. The Sunni Arab nations now fear a nuclear Iran far more than they ever feared a nuclear Israel.
    I have to quote that for truth.
    Muslim or no. We'd rather the Jews kept the Nukes compared to Shia's. No offence Iran but we just don't trust you

    If Iran gets Nukes, it would start a arms race on Sunni countries as they'd now be squeezed in between two non arab nucleur countries.


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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have to quote that for truth.
    Muslim or no. We'd rather the Jews kept the Nukes compared to Shia's. No offence Iran but we just don't trust you

    If Iran gets Nukes, it would start a arms race on Sunni countries as they'd now be squeezed in between two non arab nucleur countries.
    Very true.

    The SHiite ****bags in Iran cannot be trusted. Of this, there can be NO DOUBT.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

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    I disagree strongly. Israel has had nuclear capability for decades. The Muslim world did acquire a nuclear power in Pakistan, and there the problems began with the A. Q. Khan / North Korea syndicate of weapons and missile prolifertaion.
    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty#India.2C_Israel_and_Pakistan
    Three states—India, Israel, and Pakistan—have declined to sign the treaty. India and Pakistan are confirmed nuclear powers, and Israel has a long-standing policy of deliberate ambiguity (see List of countries with nuclear weapons). These countries argue that the NPT creates a club of "nuclear haves" and a larger group of "nuclear have-nots" by restricting the legal possession of nuclear weapons to those states that tested them before 1967, but the treaty never explains on what ethical grounds such a distinction is valid.
    Like I said... the superpowers set the standard for others to ignore requests to not develop nuclear weapons. And, unlike the other nations cited, Israel has had help from the U.S in its weapons programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    With their oil wealth, Arab nations such as the Kingdom could have developed or purchased nuclear know-how long ago to balance the equation with Israel. They chose not to even consider this until very recently. It is only with the emergence of Shia Iran as a nuclear power that the Arab Sunni nations feel exposed and vulnerable. The Sunni Arab nations now fear a nuclear Iran far more than they ever feared a nuclear Israel.
    You're blaming it on the emergence of the Shia in Iran, but they've had influence for longer than the past 10 years. So what changed? The answer is the increased presence of Western powers and the threats to nationality sovereignty. No one wants to be susceptible to an invasion on something as flimsy as terrorism. Iraq didn't even have nukes and it was invaded. So what is there to protect the others? The Iraq invasion showed that the West is terrified of nuclear weapons and that once you have them you can't be touched.

    Not to mention, the U.S. backs Israel's flouting of international law (in the form of expansion of settlements). If an ME power can expand its territory as long as it has Western consent, then that is a further incentive to want nuclear deterrence.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

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    And, unlike the other nations cited, Israel has had help from the U.S in its weapons programs.
    The US never assisted Israel in developing a nuclear weapon. Provide cites please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Not to mention, the U.S. backs Israel's flouting of international law (in the form of expansion of settlements). If an ME power can expand its territory as long as it has Western consent, then that is a further incentive to want nuclear deterrence.
    US encourages Israel to end settlelent expansion

    The US neither approves of nor encourages settlement expansion. This was deliniated in the original Road Map markers and nothing has changed in this regard. Once again, citations please.
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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The US never assisted Israel in developing a nuclear weapon. Provide cites please.
    That's not what I meant. The U.S. is shielding Israel from any international action to inpsect its weapons. You know this, I know this.

    Furthermore, Western powers actively sell Israel weapons. Even Canada does. It's no secret. Why is Israel, a nation with questionable intergrity, the only ME nation to receive weapons and aid from the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    US encourages Israel to end settlelent expansion

    The US neither approves of nor encourages settlement expansion. This was deliniated in the original Road Map markers and nothing has changed in this regard. Once again, citations please.
    U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel

    Dozens of security council vetos by the U.S. preventing expansion of Israeli settlements into the Gaza strip say otherwise.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That's not what I meant. The U.S. is shielding Israel from any international action to inpsect its weapons. You know this, I know this.
    The UN controls the IAEA, not the US. Israel is not and never was a party to the NPT. You know this, I know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Furthermore, Western powers actively sell Israel weapons. Even Canada does. It's no secret. Why is Israel, a nation with questionable intergrity, the only ME nation to receive weapons and aid from the West?
    If you want questionable integrity, look within. Iraq. CIA renditions. Torture. etc.

    Israel is the only ME nation to receive Western weapons and aid? You live in a fantasy world. With perhaps the exception of Syria, I can't think of one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Dozens of security council vetos by the U.S. preventing expansion of Israeli settlements into the Gaza strip say otherwise.
    I gave you a link that is less than a month old. Is the Washington Post in error? Is the US State Department lying? Israel removed a new settlement just last week. In addition, Israel completely pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.

    Do you have anything at all to contribute to the thread topic? If not, you are engaged in derailing.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The UN controls the IAEA, not the US. Israel is not and never was a party to the NPT. You know this, I know this.
    The UN SC can call for an inspection to ensure the security status of weapons, or even their existence. Israel to this day remains ambiguous in its statements on possessing them, but it's considered to be a power that has them. Any attempt to dig deeper is blocked by the U.S.

    With all the accusations of weapons ending up in the wrong hands, why is Israel not part of that discourse? It has its hands into everything, just like the other ME nations. Why does Israel get to have them but not Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    If you want questionable integrity, look within. Iraq. CIA renditions. Torture. etc.
    You don't have to bring other nations into this. I never claimed Iraq or anyone else was a shining example, but let's not put Israel on a pedestle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Israel is the only ME nation to receive Western weapons and aid? You live in a fantasy world. With perhaps the exception of Syria, I can't think of one.
    To the degree Israel does? No way. Israel is a super power for a reason, and it didn't get there under its own ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I gave you a link that is less than a month old. Is the Washington Post in error? Is the US State Department lying? Israel removed a new settlement just last week. In addition, Israel completely pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.
    I read the article and I understand. I'm not denying the current strategy, but you can't ignore historical precedent in this debate. U.S. foreign policy is a flip flopping one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Do you have anything at all to contribute to the thread topic? If not, you are engaged in derailing.
    Are you serious? Look, I realize it's taboo to criticize Israel in front of Americans, but I don't really care.

    I was originally responding to what you said about fledgeling nuclear programs in the ME. There are all of these calls to do something about it now, but no one is addressing the historical precedent for why so many countries there even want them.

    If people want ME nations to stop grasping for nuclear arms, then we in the West must set a better example and stop altering the balance of power by putting all our chips into one nation. The other nations are just trying to balance power, that's it.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If people want ME nations to stop grasping for nuclear arms, then we in the West must set a better example and stop altering the balance of power by putting all our chips into one nation. The other nations are just trying to balance power, that's it.
    If the West wants to set a better example, it can certainly begin with its own nuclear weapons stockpiles. There is no reason whatsoever why the US needs 10,000 nuclear warheads in its arsenal. The West can also stop selling and exporting nuclear technology to second and third world nations without any meaningful safeguards in place. It seems to me that when it comes to the West and technology, capitalism almost always trumps ethics.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    If the West wants to set a better example, it can certainly begin with its own nuclear weapons stockpiles. There is no reason whatsoever why the US needs 10,000 nuclear warheads in its arsenal. The West can also stop selling and exporting nuclear technology to second and third world nations without any meaningful safeguards in place. It seems to me that when it comes to the West and technology, capitalism almost always trumps ethics.
    I agree wholeheartedly.

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