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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    And are you saing you have a solider for every sq foot of your border? The US controls its border too but people slip through.
    As is quite obvious, the US does not control her borders. On the flipside, Israel does indeed control her borders. Every kilometer of border is either patroled by the Border Police and/or monitored electronically. The Border Police are a part of the IDF and they are everywhere... patroling in the cities, the countryside, and the deserts. They can demand personal identification at any time and are authorized to use lethal force.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    btw Max... ThankQ for the message. I do understand and it's not a problem.

    Have a great day.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    As is quite obvious, the US does not control her borders. On the flipside, Israel does indeed control her borders. Every kilometer of border is either patroled by the Border Police and/or monitored electronically. The Border Police are a part of the IDF and they are everywhere... patroling in the cities, the countryside, and the deserts. They can demand personal identification at any time and are authorized to use lethal force.
    Granted, after the crackdown on illegal immigrants a fews years ago, Israel has vastly improved at keeping out illegals. But do you honestly believe that not one single illegal slips across the border?

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxientius View Post
    Granted, after the crackdown on illegal immigrants a fews years ago, Israel has vastly improved at keeping out illegals. But do you honestly believe that not one single illegal slips across the border?
    Oh it's certainly possible. But s/he could get nowhere near the Knesset complex.

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    fyi Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Oh it's certainly possible. But s/he could get nowhere near the Knesset complex.
    Granted, likely not, however there are many significant military and historical sites and buildings in Israel.
    I would like to clerify something here. I DO NOT believe Iran could wipe out Israel in 11 days. ****, I dont think they could in 11 months. Or maybe even in 11 years. But i do think Israel must seriously consider the consequences of a preemtive strike, and therefore a war, on Iran. While Iran likely couldnt wipe Israel out for a long time, look at the long wars they've fought over the years. They wouldnt stop coming against Israel. Israel could start a very long and very costly war.
    But i do think Israel, in the afore mentioned war, could defeat Iran. I dont think its likely without foreign aid but i must admit that Israel is one seriously badass nation when it comes to war. They have advantages over Iran and history shows they are damn good at exploiting advantages.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Just for the record, I also do not favor a preemptive attack. But I do believe the international community has been too slow and timid in attempts to curb Iran's march towards nuclear weapons.

    If Iran is successful, you may see nuclear proliferation in the ME on a grand scale. Saudi Arabia and Egypt already have fledging programs. Numerous nuclear armed nations huddled in perhaps the most volatile region in the world is a recipe for disaster. Remember, the dangers of a mistake, an accident, or a non-state acquisition increase expoentially with proliferation.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Just for the record, I also do not favor a preemptive attack. But I do believe the international community has been too slow and timid in attempts to curb Iran's march towards nuclear weapons.

    If Iran is successful, you may see nuclear proliferation in the ME on a grand scale. Saudi Arabia and Egypt already have fledging programs. Numerous nuclear armed nations huddled in perhaps the most volatile region in the world is a recipe for disaster. Remember, the dangers of a mistake, an accident, or a non-state acquisition increase expoentially with proliferation.
    I agree almost entirely. The problem is, how do we solve this? The UN cannot force all Middle Eastern countries to stop carrying nukes or allow only Israel to have them and without them Israel could be in very serious trouble.
    Any attempt to stop the sale or production of Nuclear Materials or any weapons for that matter to or in Iran would be vetoed by Russia or China.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Just for the record, I also do not favor a preemptive attack. But I do believe the international community has been too slow and timid in attempts to curb Iran's march towards nuclear weapons.

    If Iran is successful, you may see nuclear proliferation in the ME on a grand scale. Saudi Arabia and Egypt already have fledging programs. Numerous nuclear armed nations huddled in perhaps the most volatile region in the world is a recipe for disaster. Remember, the dangers of a mistake, an accident, or a non-state acquisition increase expoentially with proliferation.
    Nuclear weapons are proliferating because the ME nations are trying to balance power with Israel and the U.S. If the U.S. had stopped supporting Israel earlier on, we would not be seeing so many powers grappling for nuclear deterrence. Now pandoras box is about to be opened.

    Secondary to that, the major powers in the world already set the example a long time ago. They demonstrated that if you have nuclear weapons, you'll get a seat on the UN Security Council, and you'll be able to have a more powerful voice in international policy. If the arrogant UN superpowers had allowed non-nuclear nations onto the council, such as Japan or Germany, it would have shown a better example.

    Instead, fledgling powers have been taught, by us, that nuclear arms are the route to security, bargaining, and rivalry with one's enemies. If the ME is blown up, it's our fault just as much as it is theirs. Now all we can do is wait for the Israel/U.S. alliance to come full swing and blow up in everyone's faces.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

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    Nuclear weapons are proliferating because the ME nations are trying to balance power with Israel and the U.S. If the U.S. had stopped supporting Israel earlier on, we would not be seeing so many powers grappling for nuclear deterrence. Now pandoras box is about to be opened.

    Secondary to that, the major powers in the world already set the example a long time ago. They demonstrated that if you have nuclear weapons, you'll get a seat on the UN Security Council, and you'll be able to have a more powerful voice in international policy. If the arrogant UN superpowers had allowed non-nuclear nations onto the council, such as Japan or Germany, it would have shown a better example.

    Instead, fledgling powers have been taught, by us, that nuclear arms are the route to security, bargaining, and rivalry with one's enemies. If the ME is blown up, it's our fault just as much as it is theirs. Now all we can do is wait for the Israel/U.S. alliance to come full swing and blow up in everyone's faces.
    1)The US couldnt simply abandon Israel.

    2)Of course. What do you expect? Nuclear countries are mopre powerful and dangerous and so will naturally be allowed on and to have a greater voice. Nations are all arrogant (nationalism my friend) but i must admit that Iran, Israel, and North Korea are by far the most.

    3)The alliance is a positive thing and the only thing keeping the Middle East from warring like mad.

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    Re: General commander of the Iranian army: It will take us 11 days "to wipe Israel ou

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Nuclear weapons are proliferating because the ME nations are trying to balance power with Israel and the U.S. If the U.S. had stopped supporting Israel earlier on, we would not be seeing so many powers grappling for nuclear deterrence. Now pandoras box is about to be opened.
    I disagree strongly. Israel has had nuclear capability for decades. The Muslim world did acquire a nuclear power in Pakistan, and there the problems began with the A. Q. Khan / North Korea syndicate of weapons and missile prolifertaion.

    With their oil wealth, Arab nations such as the Kingdom could have developed or purchased nuclear know-how long ago to balance the equation with Israel. They chose not to even consider this until very recently. It is only with the emergence of Shia Iran as a nuclear power that the Arab Sunni nations feel exposed and vulnerable. The Sunni Arab nations now fear a nuclear Iran far more than they ever feared a nuclear Israel.

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