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    SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Even though the democrats are claiming this will have no practical effect I am sure they will do everything they can to block it, just like the pro-illegals who claim a border fence will not do anything and then try to block it.


    SC groups call for passage of states rights bill - Breaking News - The State
    COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Conservative groups called on South Carolina legislators Tuesday to pass a measure that declares the state has the right to ignore any federal law or policies it deems unconstitutional.

    Republican legislators say they want to send a message to Washington that the federal government is overstepping its bounds, from gun control to the No Child Left Behind education accountability law. Democrats contend it's a partisan issue directed at the federal stimulus package, and the measure will have no practical effect.
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Conservative groups called on South Carolina legislators Tuesday to pass a measure that declares the state has the right to ignore any federal law or policies it deems unconstitutional.

    Uhh that issue was settled a LONG time ago.

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    Uhh that issue was settled a LONG time ago.

    Then the democrats should have nothing to worry about and let it get passed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the democrats should have nothing to worry about and let it get passed.
    No...
    The issue was settled a LONG time ago in favor of the OPPOSITE viewpoint. It directly contradicts the US Constitution. You can't even cry "judicial activism" on this one, because the US Constitution explicitly spells it out:

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    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding
    That really doesn't leave much room for interpretation.
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No...
    If its useless to pass this as you claim, then the democrats should have nothing to worry about and go ahead and let this pass. If you have a problem with this bill being passed you must obviously fear that this bill is not as useless or as pointless as you claim it to be.


    The issue was settled a LONG time ago in favor of the OPPOSITE viewpoint. It directly contradicts the US Constitution. You can't even cry "judicial activism" on this one, because the US Constitution explicitly spells it out:



    That really doesn't leave much room for interpretation.
    The second amendment does not leave much room for interpretation, its pretty clear that it states the people have the right to keep and bear arms and that it shall not be infringed, but that has not stopped the anti-2nd amendment nuts. " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If its useless to pass this as you claim, then the democrats should have nothing to worry about and go ahead and let this pass. If you have a problem with this bill being passed you must obviously fear that this bill is not as useless or as pointless as you claim it to be.
    That doesn't make sense. Why would I support a bill I felt was unconstitutional? Laws discriminating based on race violate the equal protection clause...but that doesn't mean I would vote in favor of those laws just because they wouldn't stand up in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    The second amendment does not leave much room for interpretation, its pretty clear that it states the people have the right to keep and bear arms and that it shall not be infringed, but that has not stopped the anti-2nd amendment nuts. " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    Just don't ever let me hear you ranting about "judicial activism" if you believe that nullification laws are legal.
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Even though the democrats are claiming this will have no practical effect I am sure they will do everything they can to block it, just like the pro-illegals who claim a border fence will not do anything and then try to block it.


    SC groups call for passage of states rights bill - Breaking News - The State
    COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Conservative groups called on South Carolina legislators Tuesday to pass a measure that declares the state has the right to ignore any federal law or policies it deems unconstitutional.

    Republican legislators say they want to send a message to Washington that the federal government is overstepping its bounds, from gun control to the No Child Left Behind education accountability law. Democrats contend it's a partisan issue directed at the federal stimulus package, and the measure will have no practical effect.
    South Carolina already tried to do this once over the Tariff of Abominations, I think. It resulted in a civil war. No thanks.
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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No...
    The issue was settled a LONG time ago in favor of the OPPOSITE viewpoint. It directly contradicts the US Constitution.
    Ok, so, they pass the law, and since it's unconstitutional, that law itself allows everyone to ignore it.

    Are we paying them to do this?

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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok, so, they pass the law, and since it's unconstitutional, that law itself allows everyone to ignore it.

    Are we paying them to do this?
    I'm telling you, the principle of nullification is what caused the Civil War the first time. The vice president, Calhoun, secretly urged South Carolina (hmm, coincidence?) to nullify the Tariff of 1816, which basically was unconstitutional and attempted to subjugate the south to the north by forcing them to buy higher priced manufactured goods from the north instead of the cheaper british goods. It also damaged British ability to by exported cotton from the south, basically economically crushing the south in exchange for filling washington's coffers and making the north rich.

    Last time South Carolina pulled this, Civil War broke out not too long after. No good. On the historical scale of "oh ****" flags, it ranks up there with Germany uniting and Russia putting nukes in Cuba.

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    Re: SC groups call for passage of states rights bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm telling you, the principle of nullification is what caused the Civil War the first time. The vice president, Calhoun, secretly urged South Carolina (hmm, coincidence?) to nullify the Tariff of 1816, which basically was unconstitutional and attempted to subjugate the south to the north by forcing them to buy higher priced manufactured goods from the north instead of the cheaper british goods. It also damaged British ability to by exported cotton from the south, basically economically crushing the south in exchange for filling washington's coffers and making the north rich.

    Last time South Carolina pulled this, Civil War broke out not too long after. No good. On the historical scale of "oh ****" flags, it ranks up there with Germany uniting and Russia putting nukes in Cuba.
    No the civil war was about slavery

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