Speaker Martin to resign!

PeteEU · May 20, 2009

Laila said:
I hope the panel can kick out MP's. Or refer them to the consituent and call a by election at will. We should have the power to recall our representative and if need be, make them step down.

To be able to kick out an MP, said MP needs to have done something criminal. Non of this is per say criminal according to the law. At worst they can recommend they step down or/and the party kick them out/suspend them.

I know you are disgusted by your elected officials, but if you allow an independent or any organisation to "kick out" elected people then you go from a democracy to a dictatorship. The ONLY people that can kick out elected people (unless they are criminal of course) are the people that elected them.

Now what this organisation could do was to force a by-election and let the people choose, but even that can be misused and goes against the very principles of your democracy.

The Uk has to move on. Set in stone a very strict set of rules for compensation of MPs including the punishment if the rules are broken. Like it or not, very few if any of the MPs have broken any rules or regulations what so ever. They have morally broken the trust of the British people, but that is what you have elections for.

Wessexman · May 20, 2009

Laila said:
I want that panel to include professionals, the panel will be independent - Unable to be fired by the Govt. and it is said that they will have the power to deselect and discipline MPs.

So in other words they will be an unelected body, perhaps subject to the PM, who have a lot of power over a MPs. Doesn't sound like a good move to me. Better to simply have the voters decide in my book.

Laila · May 20, 2009

Wessexman said:
So in other words they will be an unelected body, perhaps subject to the PM, who have a lot of power over a MPs. Doesn't sound like a good move to me. Better to simply have the voters decide in my book.

Nope, the debate stated that only 'the elected' can suspend members from the parliament and the electorate can be the only ones to unseat them. Hopefully by means of 'recall' and de selection and by elections. That'll scare the MPs frigid.

Laila · May 20, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
Who is we, did you vote for your current MP and is he/she one of those under scrutiny?

Nope.
Just double checked and shes clean
I voted Labour last time round, my MP is conservative.

Wessexman · May 20, 2009

Laila said:
Nope, the debate stated that only 'the elected' can suspend members from the parliament and the electorate can be the only ones to unseat them. Hopefully by means of 'recall' and de selection and by elections. That'll scare the MPs frigid.

"Deselection". Is this only for Labour?

It all depends how it works to me. I don't fancy either giving much power to a completely unaccountable body and certainly not to the cabinet or PM.

Laila · May 21, 2009

Wessexman said:
"Deselection". Is this only for Labour?

It all depends how it works to me. I don't fancy either giving much power to a completely unaccountable body and certainly not to the cabinet or PM.

All parties.
I want all the power to be given back to us. Under Labour most of the power is centralised.
Not to mention that is there really a need for over 600 MPs now that devolved parliaments are here? Lets cut the costs and cut out 200.

Wessexman · May 21, 2009

Laila said:
All parties.
I want all the power to be given back to us. Under Labour most of the power is centralised.
Not to mention that is there really a need for over 600 MPs now that devolved parliaments are here? Lets cut the costs and cut out 200.

Less MPs is more centralised, it means they represent less people.. I want less power at Westminister, only then is reducing MPs worth talking about.

Laila · May 21, 2009

Wessexman said:
Less MPs is more centralised, it means they represent less people.. I want less power at Westminister, only then is reducing MPs worth talking about.

Power from Parliament is already gone, to EU and the devolved assemblies. Give more power to consituents over their own area. Every borough has a different need, Parliament cannot understand it properly and a 'one rule for all' does not work. By giving power and influence to boroughs, councils and making sure they are accountable to the consituent means everyone is happy.

Wessexman · May 21, 2009

Laila said:
Power from Parliament is already gone, to EU and the devolved assemblies.

Well reversing the former should be a great concern.

Give more power to consituents over their own area.

Indeed but I don't think this is helped by making the one person responsible for even more people and an even wider area.

Every borough has a different need, Parliament cannot understand it properly and a 'one rule for all' does not work. By giving power and influence to boroughs, councils and making sure they are accountable to the consituent means everyone is happy.

I agree completely, regions, counties and locales need much more power.

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

Laila said:
Nope.
Just double checked and shes clean
I voted Labour last time round, my MP is conservative.

Have you visited her surgery to discuss your issues?

What % of the unwashed voted in the last round of local elections?

Laila · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
Have you visited her surgery to discuss your issues?

What % of the unwashed voted in the last round of local elections?

She is fine, no worries. I can handle her having a huge house as long as her voting records are good and they are.

Last election:

Conservative 22,183 45.3%
Labour 13,782 28.2%
Liberal Democrat 10,862 22.2%
UK Independence Party 1,301 2.7%
Independent 836 1.7%

Mine is a conservative safe seat

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

Wessexman said:
Less MPs is more centralised, it means they represent less people.. I want less power at Westminister, only then is reducing MPs worth talking about.

I seem to remember your party got a stunning 83 people to vote for your candidate in Dorset South in 2005.

What % of the turn out was that?

How many seats will your party contest in the next election?

Do you think the position will improve at the next election?

Do you use a postal vote.

Could I attend your party conference, if I can would you PM me the address of the Telephone Box it will be held in

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

Laila said:
She is fine, no worries. I can handle her having a huge house as long as her voting records are good and they are.

Last election:

Conservative 22,183 45.3%
Labour 13,782 28.2%
Liberal Democrat 10,862 22.2%
UK Independence Party 1,301 2.7%
Independent 836 1.7%

Mine is a conservative safe seat

I asked you have you ever visited her surgery to discuss with you representative the issues you have with Parliament?

I also asked you what % of the electorate voted in the last round of Local Elections?

You voted Labour last time, are you a member? did you meet the candidate or read the manifesto?

Laila · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
I asked you have you ever visited her surgery to discuss with you representative the issues you have with Parliament?

I also asked you what % of the electorate voted in the last round of Local Elections?

You voted Labour last time, are you a member? did you meet the candidate or read the manifesto?

Ohh i see, my mistake. Read too fast.

Ofc i visit her surgery. I speak to her alot about what i dislike about Parliament and reforms, the conservative party to give them their due are very enthuastic about reform and also whenever a big bill is coming up, i make sure i know which way she is voting or if i need her help on local issues like council tax and so on.

65% turnout i believe
Not a member of Labour, i only voted Labour because it was the only party i knew or recognised

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

Thats a very informed way to cast your vote, the suffragettes would be proud of you.

I will give you a clue, as you seem to like devolution, in the 2004 Local elections in Wales there was a comparatively high turn out, 41.8%

Laila · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
Thats a very informed way to cast your vote, the suffragettes would be proud of you.

I will give you a clue, as you seem to like devolution, in the 2004 Local elections in Wales there was a comparatively high turn out, 41.8%

LOL, I'm sure i am by actually voting
It was either that or spoil my ballot. I rarely know who to vote for until i get into the booth

41% is high now?
I'm a fan of devolved power, not everything should be in the hands of Govt.

B L Zeebub · May 22, 2009

41% is high now? I dont understand, give me a clue?

So you have never read a manifesto, how then do you check that the winning party sticks to their promises.

May I ask you what sort of inspiration you receive on entering the booth?

How many times have you voted in Gen/Elections?

Laila · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
How many times have you voted in Gen/Elections?

Once, Hardly cared about politics when i first voted

American · May 22, 2009

Redress said:
You know, this is one of the things that I admire about British politics. I wish the US had politicians that resigned...

One name......Pelosi

Wessexman · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
I seem to remember your party got a stunning 83 people to vote for your candidate in Dorset South in 2005.

What % of the turn out was that?

How many seats will your party contest in the next election?

Do you think the position will improve at the next election?

Do you use a postal vote.

Could I attend your party conference, if I can would you PM me the address of the Telephone Box it will be held in

What is your point? Or are you just being silly for fun? It what sense is your post a constructive input to the debate? My parties are the Wessex regionalists and the Greens. But when push comes to shove I'll consider UKIP and even the Tories.

What was the vote your party got last time?

Wessexman · May 22, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
41% is high now? I dont understand, give me a clue?

So you have never read a manifesto, how then do you check that the winning party sticks to their promises.

May I ask you what sort of inspiration you receive on entering the booth?

How many times have you voted in Gen/Elections?

May I ask you exactly what you think sarcastic contempt will actually achieve?

B L Zeebub · May 23, 2009

Wessexman said:
What is your point? Or are you just being silly for fun? It what sense is your post a constructive input to the debate? My parties are the Wessex regionalists and the Greens. But when push comes to shove I'll consider UKIP and even the Tories.

What was the vote your party got last time?

"Ukip"Now your having a laugh!

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B L Zeebub · May 23, 2009

Wessexman said:
May I ask you exactly what you think sarcastic contempt will actually achieve?

Ive allways liked the adage

Empty vessels make the most noise

Wessexman · May 23, 2009

B L Zeebub said:
Ive allways liked the adage

Empty vessels make the most noise

Well you certainly seem to have your heart set on confirming it; you seem to have made about half a dozen posts in this thread, none containing much that could be considered constructive.:2wave:

B L Zeebub · May 23, 2009

Im sorry Wasser, I was "dumbing down" to make you feel at home:lol:

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