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    12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Granted, this is a Liberal group that has filed the complaints in 4 states and Washington DC, so many here are going to take this with a grain of salt, as they should - Innocent until proven guilty.

    That being said, what do you think the results of the hearings will be? Answer the poll.

    Also, if the defendents are found guilty, or if they are acquitted, what will be your reaction? Remember, the ABA is strictly non-partisan, so complaints of "witch hunt" from one side or "cover up" from the other side won't cut the mustard here.

    Article is here.
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    I have no clue. If they're guilty, hopefully they will disbarred. If they are innocent hopefully they will be acquitted.
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Can't say for certain, depends on the evidence against them.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Interesting read, thanks alot for linking that. I am not a lawyer, and am not even qualified to suggest if the people involved have either done anything illegal, or worthy of disbarment. It will be fascinating to see what happens with this.

    I maintain that I think it is a bad idea to prosecute in any way those involved in the torture mess. I think the negatives outweigh the positives when it comes to this. However, if it is proven that the lawyers offered intentionally bad legal advice, I will certainly not protest their disbarment. I go back to my comment on not being a lawer, so really cannot speak to whether or not that is the case though.

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    In addition, the group says that evidence surrounding the Bush administration’s legal wrangling shows the lawyers engaged in “moral turpitude.”
    That statement scares me. I don't think "moral turpitude" is a crime in this country. Is it appropriate in the legal arguments surrounding this?

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    A lot of smoke and heat, very little light.

    I didn't see where specific violations of the Rules of Professional Conduct were articulated. The "repudiation" of the DoJ under the new Administration is meaningless--it means other lawyers formed different opinions, no more. Dear Leader saying waterboarding is "torture" is the same thing, one lawyer's opinion. No more and no less.

    Before an attorney is disbarred, he or she must be shown to have violated the Rules of Professional Conduct. An alleged violation would necessarily have to be specific as to the date of the violation, the rule violated, and the substance of the violation. All of that is missing from the referenced article.

    For reference:
    Model Rules of Professional Conduct Table of Contents - Center for Professional Responsibility

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    What should happen is the lawyers who filed the complaints should be disbarred.

    Definitely every attorney who successfully defends against these non-sense lawsuits should sue the filing attorney for defamation and emotional suffering and all the other good BS lawyers have invented to harass real Americans with over the years, and if that doesn't work, knee-cap 'em.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    This is just more of the bad winner syndrome that the liberals that support Obama have. Enough already, when the Repubs come back in in 4 or 8 years do you want them to have a political reason to begin a retaliatory strike back? If you do continue make sure that this is not just a harassing campaign and make sure that every "t" is crossed and every "i" is dotted. And given the nature and scope of the attack you might also make sure every "j" is dotted and every "q" is barred.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Dear Leader saying waterboarding is "torture" is the same thing, one lawyer's opinion. No more and no less.
    You do realize we have executed prisoners of war for conducting waterboarding against US troops? You do realize the practice is illegal under the Geneva Convention, which the US agreed to? So where do you get this crap about "one lawyer's opinion", did you just pull it out of your rear end like most of your "opinions"?

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You do realize we have executed prisoners of war for conducting waterboarding against US troops? You do realize the practice is illegal under the Geneva Convention, which the US agreed to? So where do you get this crap about "one lawyer's opinion", did you just pull it out of your rear end like most of your "opinions"?
    Department of Justice lawyers prepared legal opinions that held that waterboarding was not torture.

    Dear Leader decided to use his own legal expertise to issue a different opinion.

    This much is undeniable fact (although I confess a perverse anticipation in your expected denial of the same).

    What is also undeniable is that this is all the fact that there is. Bush DoJ lawyers held one set of opinions. Dear Leader and AG Holder have devised another set of opinions. All the rest of this debate is interpretation, and essentially conjecture. Even a judge's ruling would not be fact, but interpretation (as all judicial rulings are).

    There is no foundation in US law for arguing that Dear Leader's opinion today has the capacity to criminalize opinions formed yesterday. There is, in fact, a clear statement to the opposite, in the Constitutional prohibition upon Congress against legislating ex post facto.

    Denied such pontifical power, there is no foundation for regarding Dear Leader's publicly proclaimed opinion on waterboarding to have any more legal significance in this debate than the opinions of the Bush DoJ lawyers whose disbarment is now being sought.

    Dear Leader can--and has--instruct his administration to refrain from waterboarding in the future. Dear Leader cannot criminalize waterboarding done in the past. No President has the competence to make such a decision. That is not within the text of the Constitution. It is not a necessary and proper exercise of government power.

    Dear Leader can make pious pronouncements all he wants, but no amount of speechifying can render his opinion ineluctable law. In this debate he is one lawyer holding an opinion, and no more.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Any reasonable judge will toss the cases out. Court rooms should be no place for political bickering or anti-war pussyfist trash nonsense.
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