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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    By the way clueless one, those unethical lawyers were not simply providing advice. They made very clear attempts to advise their client that he could commit a crime but, do it in such a structured manner that it wouldn't fall under the illegal guidelines. That is not only illegal but, highly unethical.
    Of course, your rant ignores the very basic fact that no one has established that either the guidelines or the advice was illegal. Despite the pious pontifications of Dear Leader, neither he nor AG Holder, in all of their research into the memos on interrogation techniques, found the cojones to indict even the proverbial ham sandwich. Despite all the Anti-Republican blatherings about illegality and crimes against humanity, the nation's chief prosecutor and his highly esteemed boss, the famous Constitutional law scholar Dear Leader (), lack the evidence to charge anyone for so much as criminal use of commas.

    As a practical matter, that means no illegality, and if there was no illegality, then the only conclusion that can be drawn about the advice given is that it was damn good.

    As for what is ethical.....lawyers are paid to advise their clients on how to skirt the edges of the law. That is their job, and their ethic.

    Which is the biggest reason the bar associations should do nothing. You don't disbar the other guy because he out-lawyered you. Even Anti-Republicans generally have a split hair's breadth greater integrity than that.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Of course, your rant ignores the very basic fact that no one has established that either the guidelines or the advice was illegal.
    Leaving out the ranting and insult parts to your post, but a comment on the above quoted part. Won't that be what the bar association will be determining, answering the question once and for all? In that way, this is a good thing I guess.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Leaving out the ranting and insult parts to your post, but a comment on the above quoted part. Won't that be what the bar association will be determining, answering the question once and for all? In that way, this is a good thing I guess.
    No, it won't. Bar associations are not government bodies. They can and may rule on the ethical dimensions of attorney conduct, but that is all.

    Even if the state bar associations said that each and every one of the lawyers mentioned were guilty of unethical conduct and should be disbarred, that still would say not a damn thing about the alleged criminality of the conduct in question.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    No, it won't. Bar associations are not government bodies. They can and may rule on the ethical dimensions of attorney conduct, but that is all.

    Even if the state bar associations said that each and every one of the lawyers mentioned were guilty of unethical conduct and should be disbarred, that still would say not a damn thing about the alleged criminality of the conduct in question.
    Fair clarification. Question for you: if the bar association finds the lawyers acted unethically, would you consider that as making a strong case to investigate the legality of what they did? Given that scenario, how about if we added immunity to prosecution, just using the investigation to find out how the ethical and legal problems came to be...would you consider it a strong argument for investigation?

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Fair clarification. Question for you: if the bar association finds the lawyers acted unethically, would you consider that as making a strong case to investigate the legality of what they did? Given that scenario, how about if we added immunity to prosecution, just using the investigation to find out how the ethical and legal problems came to be...would you consider it a strong argument for investigation?
    No, I would not. Mainly because there's nothing to investigate. The Bush administration authorized techniques of interrogation that some argue as torture. They asserted an interpretation of US law and international treaty that defined the techniques as not being torture and therefore permissible. This was done to extract information from terrorist detainees.

    Folks can argue whether the actions or interpretations were right or wrong, and the Anti-Republicans no doubt will continue to wail about how wrong the Bush administration was to have done these things. They have the right to do that, regardless of how silly or asinine they sound.

    But there's no real debate about the facts. CIA interrogators waterboarded detainees for the purpose of gaining actionable intelligence. They got actionable intelligence from those detainees.

    Reality is the substantive debate about this ended the moment Dear Leader told the CIA not to do these things any more. He changed the protocol and the policy, as he has every right to do. Wateboarding was authorized. Dear Leader has rescinded the authorization. Waterboarding will not be used until Dear Leader decides actionable intelligence to save US lives is more meaningful than how terrorist sympathizers the world over view the US (which, if I had to guess, will be sometime in January of next year, as the Anti-Republicans gear up for the mid term elections and need to fool people into thinking they're serious about national security).

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Granted, this is a Liberal group that has filed the complaints in 4 states and Washington DC, so many here are going to take this with a grain of salt, as they should - Innocent until proven guilty.

    That being said, what do you think the results of the hearings will be? Answer the poll.
    Anything less than summary dismissal is a miscarriage of justice.

    Also, if the defendents are found guilty, or if they are acquitted, what will be your reaction? Remember, the ABA is strictly non-partisan, so complaints of "witch hunt" from one side or "cover up" from the other side won't cut the mustard here.
    You're kidding, right? The ABA is a ****ing joke.

    Is the ABA Biased Against Conservative Judicial Nominees? A Study Says Yes - Law Blog - WSJ

    The ABA takes official policy stands supporting abortion and gun control and opposing the death penalty. They regularly issue statements decrying the actions of conservatives while remaining silent about identical actions by liberals.

    In what world is that non-partisan?
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
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    The individual state bars is one place these issues need to be resolved. Of course, if any of those groups vote to disbar any of those unethical lawyers I'm sure we will then hear from the neo-cons here labeling them as... uhh... liberal.

    While I believe the Justice Dept should be more active on these issues, I will accept whatever those bars decide.

    Will you right wingers accept what those bars decide?
    What the individual state bars decide on this matter has no bearing on the fact that the ABA and the bulk of state bars are overwhelmingly liberal as it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You can be disbarred for a lot of things -- but giving what you believe to be sound legal advice isnt one of them. This is a bunch pf liberals trying to disbar lawyers not for comitting some crime or ethical violation, but for doing their job to the best of their ability.

    This should absolutely scare everyone.
    This is exactly right. This **** is designed with one purpose in mind - to scare non-conforming legal thinkers away from advocating their policy positions. It's ****ing pathetic.
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    . . .the ABA is strictly non-partisan. . . .
    So the ABA isn't composed of Human Beings? Is there is any non-partisan group of more than two people over the age of 6, I've never encountered it.
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